budget pads

[RIC172]

I'm looking at changing the front brake pads on my 172 cup soon but I'm not sure which ones to go for.

I don't do trackdays although I do occasionally give the car beans on the twisties so I want them to have braking performance at least as good as the OEM pads. Slightly upgraded braking performance would be nice though.

I'm looking at Pagid (£24), Brembo (£28) or Renault (£50). Which of these three is best from your experience?

I was firstly looking at Ferodo DS2500 but they are a lot more expensive at £120 and designed for track usage.

 

[JB21]

Pagid out the OE option, Mintex and Ferodo premier are also decent. Brembo OE are pants if pushed, Renault are just Bosch OE but are decent. Just get on ECP and they're all pretty much the same price. Used them all mentioned above by the way.

 

[imprezaworks]

Pagid.

 

[RIC172]

Great stuff cheers guys I’ll go for the Pagid ones

Out of interest, are the Ferodo DS2500 unsuitable for road usage if they are designed for track? While I don’t do trackdays at the moment I might be interested in doing one next year.

 

[imprezaworks]

Just get the pagid mate, i've had the 2500 on and off track. Waste of money, imo!!

 

[STEVE.M]

Brembo (£28)

£21.17 @Kam Racing close to Aylesbury, less any Cliosport discount now they have joined the traders.
You liked them in my car, and they are good enough for track use, if you know how to prepare them.

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

all the big/well known brands are very similar price and performance

The front Mintex M1144 are a good cost effective upgrade for road and light/odd track use at . I can supply all the brands mentioned so far , need any help drop me a PM @Cup172Rich

 

[JB21]

Another option if you want a road/track pad is the PBS brake pad and they are only £109 and are meant to be better than the DS2500 and CL5+.

http://www.pbs-brakes.com/product-category/renault/renaultclio172182/

 

[STEVE.M]

I've had the 2500 on and off track. Waste of money, imo!!

You mean you were on the track, & then this happened,
and suddenly you weren`t?

 

[loggyboy]

I swear by Mintex (discs and pads). Better than the Pagid and Bosch IME. Even for track use they perform really well.

 

[loggyboy]

This is a few quid cheaper than i've ever got them for. Normally circa £16.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mintex-R...2-ltr-01-2000-04-2001-Front-Axle/323193141019

 

[RIC172]

I swear by Mintex (discs and pads). Better than the Pagid and Bosch IME. Even for track use they perform really well.

Is that the M1144 loggyboy? I have read good things about them on the whole unless used on a serious track car.

Are pads such as the M1155 or DS2500 unsuitable for a daily driver?

 

[loggyboy]

no standard mintex - great on track too IME.

 

[Mr R.]

Is that the M1144 loggyboy? I have read good things about them on the whole unless used on a serious track car.

Are pads such as the M1155 or DS2500 unsuitable for a daily driver?

The Ds2500 give off a fook load of dust.

 

[loggyboy]

Good discussions on the subject here https://www.cliosport.net/threads/for-any-doubters-of-using-oe-brakes-on-track.805035/

 

[STEVE.M]

Good discussions on the subject here https://www.cliosport.net/threads/for-any-doubters-of-using-oe-brakes-on-track.805035/

I think the problem is that people have not been informed that organic (OE) pads WILL fade 1st time on track (even after several thousand miles of road use), and that is the time to come in to let them cool for 10 minutes.
After that, they won`t fade again.

 

[JB21]

I think the problem is that people have not been informed that organic (OE) pads WILL fade 1st time on track (even after several thousand miles of road use), and that is the time to come in to let them cool for 10 minutes.
After that, they won`t fade again.

Maybe not for you, but drive hard on a brake heavy track and OE pads will fade sooner rather than later no matter how much you bed them in, they're just not designed to withstand the heat that prolonged heavy braking generates. If they were then there would be no need for track/race pad compounds.

 

[STEVE.M]

Maybe not for you, but drive hard on a brake heavy track and OE pads will fade sooner rather than later no matter how much you bed them in, they're just not designed to withstand the heat that prolonged heavy braking generates. If they were then there would be no need for track/race pad compounds.

I`m not seeking to start an argument, I`m just passing on what I learnt from my bike racing days.
Even using organic competition compounds such as Ferodo AM4, the brake shoes of even 4 leading shoe brake drums and later on, disc set ups, had to be put through this heat cycle before being race ready.

 

[Ricardos]

Pads.... On a budget.... You'll get what you pay for. If you have to pay nearly double for something that won't fade on you when driving at speed then so be it... There'll have to be a compromise somewhere, the first being cracking open the wallet that bit more or secondly a little bit more brake dust than OE. Buy cheap buy twice, then wish you'd bought the pads with a compound up that will cover the fast road element to your driving.

 

[RIC172]

Pads.... On a budget.... You'll get what you pay for. If you have to pay nearly double for something that won't fade on you when driving at speed then so be it... There'll have to be a compromise somewhere, the first being cracking open the wallet that bit more or secondly a little bit more brake dust than OE. Buy cheap buy twice, then wish you'd bought the pads with a compound up that will cover the fast road element to your driving.

I agree with your observation that fast road/track pads are the only ones to consider if you mostly do that sort of driving. To be honest, for an everyday road car I am probably more suited to OEM pads as I'm unlikely to go out on track. And if I do, I'll have to accept that I'll probably get brake fade early on.

It seems general consensus though that the OEM pads should stand up to some spirited driving away from the track, which is what I'm looking for really.

I also have Uniroyal Rainsports which people also say are rubbish round a track due to the soft sidewalls, but for the amount of damp/wet days we get in the UK they suit me quite well.

Horses for courses

 

[RIC172]

I know brake fade is not to be underestimated though as I experienced it once when I had my Saxo VTS and had a b road blast against my friend's Honda S2000. Flat out, his car was no quicker than mine was through these twisty roads and shortish straights in between. However, my Saxo suddenly lost most of its braking power and I nearly s**t a brick as I had to take a corner with almost no brakes. Scary!

 

[loggyboy]

Just make sure you remove your fogs and add some ducts, will massively aid the cooling.

ETA Oh hand braided lines too. But these arent consumable so not a cost i would be concerned about, gives you a chance to flush the fluid and put some quality dot4 in.

 

[loggyboy]

Pads.... On a budget.... You'll get what you pay for. If you have to pay nearly double for something that won't fade on you when driving at speed then so be it... There'll have to be a compromise somewhere, the first being cracking open the wallet that bit more or secondly a little bit more brake dust than OE. Buy cheap buy twice, then wish you'd bought the pads with a compound up that will cover the fast road element to your driving.

Have a read of my thread link I posted above, this isnt always the case.

 

[imprezaworks]

Tbf if you over cook standard brakes on the road to the point of fading that badly, id get a track day booked.

 

[loggyboy]

I find its easier to cook pads on the road, as generally you spend longer on the brakes and do more High speed to stop braking, where as on track, its high speed to medium or low speed, but always moving, and therefore always cooling.

 

[imprezaworks]

Will agree to disagree imo.

On track (Oulton) I would find it way easier finding brake fade than going for a spirited track hero god like Sunday spin.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Just get the pagid mate, i've had the 2500 on and off track. Waste of money, imo!!

No way?

edde drove me round the ring in his DCI and when he was on the brakes it felt like my eyeballs were coming away from their sockets, he did have cut slicks, but if anything that'd show poor brakes up more.

 

[imprezaworks]

Yay way

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Yay way

In what way?

 

[imprezaworks]

Was about 7 years ago mate when everyone bummed them.

Then times changed and people realised they weren’t that good. I remember doing Oulton in a phase 1 with them.

 

[Usr117063]

Oem rears and oem in 4 pots up front has been working well for me, have confidence in fast driving as well as emergencies. Though ill be putting some ds1.11 back in once Ive sorted out other parts of the car because they are mad

 

[Jekyll]

Are the mintex 1144s good as a daily pad but better than the pagid/brembo everyday pads.

I run pagids at the moment and have done for over a year. Although they are fine, I do plan on changing the discs and pads this year. I've had 2500 previously and they give the wheels plenty of dust. I run white wheels as a daily (I know) so I was hoping that the 1144s as give good performance with little less dust. They seem to be half the price as ferodos so was just curious.

 

[PhillipM]

1144's are fine as a daily pad, they bite well even from cold in winter.
I used to use them in cars that did stream crossings and they had no issues with working first press afterwards even after having a bath in cold water.

 

[PhillipM]

I will say they can be dusty sometimes though, although unlike the Ferodo stuff which seems to try it's best to eat into your wheels, it tends to just rinse off.

 

[Jekyll]

Sounds pretty good so far!