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Car Acceleration Simulators



  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Im busy looking at some software called CarTest which lets you feed in parameters about your car and it simulates how it would perform in a pure acceleration simulation.

Ive fed in the figures from my car (2001 Clio 1.4 16V) and from the 172 and while overall the figures returned seem accuate Im still not convinced of its accuracy.

For the 172 I fed in the following info

engine disp : 1998cc (Front engined, normally aspirated)
172bhp @ 6250rpm
148lb/ft @ 5750rpm
max engine speed = 7200rpm

manual 5 spd transmission
1st 3.36
2nd 1.86
3rd 1.32
4th 1.09
5th 0.82
Final Drive Ratio 4.06
Front driving wheels

Car test weight (car + full tank + 70kg driver) 2546lb
weight on front wheels 64%
wheelbase 97in.
tyre section width 195mm
wheel diameter 15in.
tyre profile 50

coefficient of drag 0.350

overall height 55in.
overall width 55in.
ground clearance 4in.

using the softwares take off optimiser I simulated a standing start -> top speed holding the clutch at 2000rpm and dumping the clutch.

Results were as follows:

0-30 2.2s
0-40 3.9s
0-50 5.2s
0-60 6.5s
0-70 9.1s
0-80 11.1s
0-90 14.5s
0-100 17.6

0-100ft 3.1s
0-500ft 8.3s
1/4 mile 15.2s @92.5mph

top speed 138mph in 97.8s in a distance of 17006ft

optimum shift points:
1st 7200rpm @ 35mph
2nd 7070rpm @ 64mph
3rd 6790rpm @ 87mph
4th 6930rpm @ 108mph

The tests were simulated at sea level, 65 degrees F, on a flat road
shift time is 0.5s
engage time is 0.2s

Id like to make sure that the info Im entering is correct and that the info returned is also correct.

According to the software my 1.4 16V will do a 0-60 in 10.2s and the 1/4 mile in 17.8s which are both very low compared to what Ive heard discussed on the forum (or maybe in the perfect world this is possible).

Im looking forward to a good debate on this
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Im guessing so...

time to put the clutch in, change, and finish the moment the gear is fully engaged.



Those are the default values for the software, didnt fiddle with it
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Try a search on Google.com for "CarTest". Im sure youll find plenty links to the software
 


For the 1.8 16v I fed in the following info

engine disp : 1764cc (Front engined, normally aspirated)
137bhp @ 6500rpm
116lb/ft @ 4000rpm
max engine speed = 7000rpm

manual 5 spd transmission
1st 3.70
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.30
4th 1.00
5th 0.80
Final Drive Ratio 4.20
Front driving wheels

Car test weight (car + 70kg driver) 2293lb
*How much does fuel weight? You would only need a couple of litres, not a full tank!*
weight on front wheels 65%
wheelbase 97in.
tyre section width 195mm
wheel diameter 15in.
tyre profile 50
*I think the tyres are 185/55 standard but Im running 195/50s. Difference is very marginal!*

coefficient of drag 0.350

overall height 53.7in.
overall width 63.6in.
ground clearance 4in.

using the softwares take off optimiser I simulated a standing start -> top speed holding the clutch at 2000rpm and dumping the clutch.

Results were as follows:

0-30 2.1s
0-40 4.0s
0-50 5.3s
0-60 7.8s
0-70 10.1s
0-80 12.7s
0-90 16.8s
0-100 21.4

0-100ft 3.2s
0-500ft 8.67s
1/4 mile 15.8s @87.6mph

top speed 126.3mph in 138.4s in a distance of 23046ft

optimum shift points:
1st 7000rpm @ 31mph
2nd 7000rpm @ 54mph
3rd 7000rpm @ 88mph
4th 7000rpm @ 115mph

If Ive got anything wrong, let me know, and Ill change it.
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Im glad others are using the software too.

Ive heard that it is very accurate from people all over the web but Im not totally convinced because if you do a comparison with other cars, the 172 seems to slaughtering them...including a few ferraris and porsches.



Maybe we could get together a Renault Database together...could provide some interesting debates
 


Just looking at it again, forgot the compression ratio.

On the 16v its 10:1

What is it on the 172 cos I wanna add that.......and then drag race them both!!!

Also, whats the true BHP on the 172 cos I read on here its not 172!
 


Also, can anybody help me with the specs for a R5 GTT

My brother has one, but cant find all the infomation.

I need:

What RPM peak power is?
How much torque, and where peak torque is?
Drag co-efficient
& gearbox ratios (loads of different ones in the haynes manuel and my brothers car has a custom built gearbox so I wouldnt know what should be right anyway)
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


*How much does fuel weight? You would only need a couple of litres, not a full tank!*

I went with 1 litre = 1kg (as with water). Im not sure its the same tho but very close.

As for the correct bhp for the 172. I think it would be 169 because 124kW = 169 bhp
 
  S2000


Re: the 172 power outputs, i think the recent RR has proved that the 172 has varying power outputs, going by the results it would suggest that some were well over 172BHP!
 


Could you do it for a Williams?

And is it possible to do it for modded cars if you have the BHP and Torque outputs?

Cheers

Dazz
 


I can do one for the williams, Im just not sure on all the info for it.

150BHP @ ?RPM
?LB/FT @ ?RPM
Comp. Ratio - ?:1
Gear Ratios - ? (Not sure if they are the same as the valver)
Weight - ? (Think its the same, but again, not 100% sure!)
 


Ive found everything off the spec list on this site!

Only thing Im not sure about is the gear ratios but I think theyre the same!

I also found an error in my original one for the valver.

The drag co-effiecient is 0.33, and not 0.35.

I will put a new one up for both the valver and williams soon
 


For the 1.8 16v I fed in the following info

engine disp : 1764cc (Front engined, normally aspirated)
137bhp @ 6500rpm
116lb/ft @ 4000rpm
compression ratio = 10:1
max engine speed = 7000rpm

manual 5 spd transmission
1st 3.70
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.30
4th 1.00
5th 0.80
Final Drive Ratio 4.20
Front driving wheels

Car test weight (car + 70kg driver) 2293lb
weight on front wheels 65%
wheelbase 97in.
tyre section width 185mm
wheel diameter 15in.
tyre profile 55

coefficient of drag 0.330

overall height 53.7in.
overall width 63.6in.
ground clearance 4in.

using the softwares take off optimiser I simulated a standing start -> top speed holding the clutch at 2000rpm and dumping the clutch.

Results were as follows:

0-30 2.2s
0-40 4.0s
0-50 5.3s
0-60 7.8s
0-70 10.1s
0-80 12.6s
0-90 16.6s
0-100 21.1

0-100ft 3.2s
0-500ft 8.6s
1/4 mile 15.8s @89.0mph

top speed 129.0mph in 141.56s in a distance of 24035ft

optimum shift points:
1st 7000rpm @ 31mph
2nd 7000rpm @ 55mph
3rd 7000rpm @ 89mph
4th 7000rpm @ 117mph



For the Williams I fed in the following info

engine disp : 1998cc (Front engined, normally aspirated)
150bhp @ 6100rpm
129lb/ft @ 4500rpm
max engine speed = 7000rpm
compression ratio = 10:1

manual 5 spd transmission
1st 3.70
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.30
4th 1.00
5th 0.80
Final Drive Ratio 4.20
Front driving wheels

Car test weight (car + 70kg driver) 2337lb
weight on front wheels 65%
wheelbase 97in.
tyre section width 185mm
wheel diameter 15in.
tyre profile 55


coefficient of drag 0.330

overall height 53.7in.
overall width 63.6in.
ground clearance 4in.

using the softwares take off optimiser I simulated a standing start -> top speed holding the clutch at 2000rpm and dumping the clutch.

Results were as follows:

0-30 2.0s
0-40 3.8s
0-50 5.0s
0-60 7.4s
0-70 9.5s
0-80 11.7s
0-90 15.5s
0-100 19.2

0-100ft 3.2s
0-500ft 8.4s
1/4 mile 15.4s @89.9mph

top speed 133.2mph in 106.09s in a distance of 17992ft

optimum shift points:
1st 7000rpm @ 31mph
2nd 7000rpm @ 54mph
3rd 6810rpm @ 87mph
4th 6720rpm @ 112mph
 
  BMW 320d Sport


Strangely enough, the figures for the 172 and 16v arent too wide of the mark! Perhaps slightly optimistic for the majority of drivers, but with a bit of practice most of us could get to within half a second of their 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
 


Im not sure what the gear ratios are for the Williams but they are definately different to the 16v. If I gave you the bhp and torque figures for mine would you be able to work out approx what my times would be. I know they may not be totally acurate it would just be interesting to see.

Cheers

Dazz
 
  BMW 320d Sport


Yeah the top secret WIlliams ratios. I dont even know for sure and Ive got a Williams box!

Anyway I got the software, maybe Im being stupid, but I cant seem to get any further than entering the name of the car. I cant even get the cursor in any of the other boxes, not with the reurn key, tab, arrows or page up or down.

Anyone help with this?
 


you gotta enter the name of the car, press f1 to save it, then you can start entering all the info. Hope this helps Nick
 


Ive done it for the 1.4RT as well, with help from a mate, not sure how accurate it is though!

For the 1.4 RT I fed in the following info

engine disp : 1390cc (Front engined, normally aspirated)
80bhp @ 5750rpm
79lb/ft @ 3500rpm
max engine speed = 6000rpm
compression ratio = 9.5:1

manual 5 spd transmission
1st 3.70
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.30
4th 1.00
5th 0.80
Final Drive Ratio 4.20
Front driving wheels

Car test weight (car + 70kg driver) 1852lb
weight on front wheels 58%
wheelbase 97in.
tyre section width 165mm
wheel diameter 13in.
tyre profile 65


coefficient of drag 0.330

overall height 53.7in.
overall width 63.6in.
ground clearance 4in.

using the softwares take off optimiser I simulated a standing start -> top speed holding the clutch at 2000rpm and dumping the clutch.

Results were as follows:

0-30 3.3s
0-40 4.7s
0-50 7.5s
0-60 10.0s
0-70 13.0s
0-80 18.2s
0-90 24.2s
0-100 38.7s

0-100ft 3.5s
0-500ft 9.4s
1/4 mile 17.5s @78.5mph

top speed 108.3mph in 125.29s in a distance of 17667ft

optimum shift points:
1st 6000rpm @ 25mph
2nd 6000rpm @ 44mph
3rd 6000rpm @ 71mph
4th 6000rpm @ 93mph

***Feel free to point out any errors***


d
 
  clio 20v


erm had a mess with it and seems quite accurate except it wont do 60 in second gear

which means you lose a bit of time on the gearchange, are them gear ratios definately right

adi
 


Good God !!.. lol...:eek:

Nick, ma main man !!.. are you actually saying that software and mathematics may work in some, obviously minisculey limited situations ??..



I bow......................



Captn Slarty...
 


Not sure of the ratios but power is 170bhp at fly with 150 Ib Ft Torque.

Ill have a search around for the gear ratios and let you know.

Cheers

Dazz
 
  clio 20v


yeh but the optimium shift point it says is 7000rpm which is on the redline

even putting redline as 7200 it still wont do 60 in second gear
 
  Williams 2, STi N12


Kinda based on this thread but I just thought I would gloat a little by informing you all that I have been given the task to design a driving simulator for Renault based on a Clio cockpit. It is a 6 DOF mounted on a 2 DOF motion platform using 3 projectors to give 160x40 field of view.



Will try to get some piccies of it when it is built, this thing will be massive!
 


so, the program is wrong , the figures you are supllying are incorrect, or, the math, me thinks its the figures as the math is tried n tested, and, its a fairly simple thing to calculate.

What is ACTUALLY happening is that you have no artificial limit in the calcs, so it shows what is what.. if you choose to rev higher, then kewl, its a balance between loss of power and time to change gear, but the math is absolutely sound.

Joe.
 
  Williams 2, STi N12


They are effectively mounting a 6 DOF motion base on a big fook-of XY table (which is the 2 DOF). I dont know if you know about it or come across it in your flight sim stuff but the motion bases are based on an american military one known as the NADS system.

Got the CAD model of the car through today, kinda a small smart car-esk Vel Satis thing. Pretty cool though, might try and render it with Max to get some images of it. Incidentally got the entire CAD data of the V6 Mk1!
 


aha, yes, I am familiar with the nads system, so its actually an 8 dof unit, the xy platform is giving the + - accelleration g load and lateral g load, (the added sensory inputs for a land vehicle) ok, fairy nuff !.

That will be some trick fuzzy logic software to set that mofo up lol !.



Nice one dood.,!

Joe.
 
  Williams 2, STi N12


Yep you got it. This thing will move at about +/- 1.5g, which is a shed load for a car sim. Its all got to be FEAd to 3.5g.

Its gonna be a beaut.
 
  Williams 2, STi N12


Should be all up and running by the end of Jan next year. Ill try to remember to get some photos when I go to install my bits.
 


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