central locking MK1

[nealcoope]

Got to say i think the Clio is a superb car but as with anything they have there odd little problems. I had a Fiat Tipo 1.4 Formula before I bought my S Plate 1.2 Mk3 and after driving such Italian rubbish the Clio is the best thing since sliced bread.

If you think central locking on clios is a problem you should see it on Fiats, works once in a blue moon and i must have spent 4 days chasing shorts around the car. Absolute nightmare.

Anybody know if they have solved these problems on the new ones as I am planning to order a 182 next week. Bit of a step up but once youve had the test drive its a case of where do I sign

 

[LivinLegend]

my sunroof is being replaced, with a brand new one.... when my dads mate get round to fitting it. gunna clean my reciever later, thanks for the advice nealcoope, ill pm you if i had no luck......

 

[1fast6]

Jay i am suprised with what you have said because it is not the case.

As with most in-car remotes, both the reciever and the transmitter and programmed with a certain frequency. therefore you have a particular keyfob and its matching reciever. they are not interchangable!

if you imagine that if you could swap recievers in cars, everyones keyfob would open every clio because the reciever does not know which frequency to trigger the central locking with. and therefore open the doors from any frequency it recieved in the renault selected frequency range.

Matt, when i first bought my clio the central locking was stuffed. It cost be £25 to fix it. If your reciever turns out to be unrepairable or damaged, go and see Paul at Infinicar and get a receiver unit and keyfob off him. then just put your key in the new fob. swap over the reciever and thats it.

easy problem, easily fixed. none of this go and buy a new alarm just to fix the central locking

 

[Clio_novice]

LivinLegend i have a brand new recieved i bought from renault 1 week before i sold the car. They told me mine was broken so i bought a replacement but the original wasnt broken, it was the whole imobilised sysem.

So you can have it for £20, brand new got it out of the packet, fitted it, it didnt work (as the whole system was broken) so took it back off but never got round to taking it back to the dealer as it is 45 miles away.

PM me if you want it.

Phil

 

[Daz]

RTvalver, Maybe the ECU does all the work. I know in a Phase3, its all done by the ECU (the immobilisor) so after what Jay said, I thought it just sent the signal to it and then it decoded it? [:S]

 

[tom_c]

mines got the same problem, but it doesnt work up close.

how much is this cleaner and where do you get it from?

did you reset your key for your dads sensor? if not of corse it wouldnt work, otherise one key would open all clios!

 

[1fast6]

well if that is true then phase 1 and 2 recievers wont work with the car.

spose it is up to matt to see. matt here is an idea. take out your dads reciever from his car and plug it into yours. then see if his keyfob unlocks your car. if it does then the receivers are pre-programmed as i thought. if not then the phase 3 does indeed recieve decoding instructions from the ecu.

 

[Clio_novice]

The recievers are not programmed to certain keys. They are a universal, off the shelf parts that just plug in. There is a de-coder inside the system somewhere else that does the work before sending the signal to the ECU.

 

[1fast6]

i dont agree. my receiver has a yellow serial number on it that matches a tag in the key fob.

besides if that were the case i would never have been able to swap the central locking the way i have.

 

[JAY172]

Quote: Originally posted by LivinLegend on 23 February 2004

dont rely too much mate, f**king sh*t!! sorry dont know how much but i think seeing as your not going to use it in the locks you might be able to use another second hand key and get it programmed, whats the plip battery

the key plip has a small watch battery in it.undo the small philips screw and have a look.

 

[JAY172]

Quote: Originally posted by RTvalver on 23 February 2004


Jay i am suprised with what you have said because it is not the case.

As with most in-car remotes, both the reciever and the transmitter and programmed with a certain frequency. therefore you have a particular keyfob and its matching reciever. they are not interchangable!

if you imagine that if you could swap recievers in cars, everyones keyfob would open every clio because the reciever does not know which frequency to trigger the central locking with. and therefore open the doors from any frequency it recieved in the renault selected frequency range.

Matt, when i first bought my clio the central locking was stuffed. It cost be £25 to fix it. If your reciever turns out to be unrepairable or damaged, go and see Paul at Infinicar and get a receiver unit and keyfob off him. then just put your key in the new fob. swap over the reciever and thats it.

easy problem, easily fixed. none of this go and buy a new alarm just to fix the central locking

wrong.the reciever isnt coded.the reciever sends the recieved plip code to the decoder unit and if the code is correct then the decoder will unlock the doors.the plip key and the decoder are coded togethor the reciever is not this just picks up the plip signal/code and sends it to the decoder it doesnt operate the central locking or anything like that.the reciever just acts like a aerial does on a radio.the recievers are interchangable but the keys or decoder unit are not.new keys are around £35>£65 depending on the age of the vehicle.your renault dealer has to synch the key into the system though so there is a labour charge as well.keys are ordered to their own individual number which is specific to that vehicle and can take up to 10 days to arrive.

 

[1fast6]

jay i can understand your point of view but it cannot be the case with phase 1s. i changed the central locking on my car from a renault 19 and all i did was unplug the old broken reciever unit and plug in the one from the 19. then the key from the 19 unlocked my car!

if what you are saying is true, the car would not have unlocked with the 19 equipment because the frequency emitted from the 19 keyfob would not be the correct one for my cars decoder. therefore the reciever must decode the signal. also i cant see a plausable reason for renault to use a separate decoder in the circuit, it makes more sense to include the decoder in the reciever circuitry. the only time i can think of it making more sense to separate the decoder is where the imobiliser engages when the car is locked! on clio mark 1 phase 1/2 excluding 16v (maybe RSi) this does not happen. you have to use a separate key to turn a lock in the glovebox.

can you see what i mean?

 

[LivinLegend]

cheers for all your advice people i might pop down renault later in the week and find out but first im gunna clean my reciever and try my dads again i think, if it is just the reciever i need clio_novice ill pm you and ill have it off you cheers mate

 

[1fast6]

make sure you try what i said aswell mate.

 

[Clio_novice]

Ok matey if you need it then pm me, its brand new.

RT valver, as Jay and i have said, the recievers are not programmed to the system. That is what the de-coder is for and that is what was wrong with mine, i had to have the decoder replaced then then keys reprogrammed to the new decoder.

 

[1fast6]

explain why i was able to change my central locking system with a reciever and keyfob then mate! just to prove a point, i took a reciever out of my mates clio today and connected it in my car. his keyfob opened my car.

edit - . just taken my old reciever apart there is a significantly large 16 leg philips chip on the board. it is likely this is the decoder as the encoder in the fob has a small philips chip also.

im probably going to need pictures next

 

[JAY172]

i can see what your saying but i dont have an explanation.every old clio i have worked on has had a separate decoder unit even the ones where the plip just does the central locking and there is no immobiliser.is it one of the very first model clios then.a phase 1 but a very early version.

 

[Clio_novice]

Cant explain that matey, all i know is that when my central locking and imob broke they changed the decoder but not the reciever as the reciever was working fine. As Jay say maybe yours is very early? mine was a mk1 phase 3.

 

[1fast6]

yeah it is strange that there is such a difference.

my car is mark 1 phase 1 but it is a K so not a very first one. i have no idea.

strange. just try all the suggestions in the thread matt, you cant go wrong.

 

[LivinLegend]

cheers people i will be having a good look at it tomorrow afternoon, and ill let you all know what happens