Custom Suspension Springs?

[Gally]

I know Foxy had a set made up for his MK2.

I'm possibly looking into a set. Just wondering on cost ect... and how they make them.

Any recommendations?

 

[The Boosh!]

There is this place in Sheffield gally.

Could bring them to CSS to save postage too

http://www.springcoil.co.uk/suspension.html

 

[Gally]

They were first on the google result!

On and you'd still charge me for petrol and a handling fee!

Yorkshire/

 

[The Boosh!]

LOL seriously though they are supposed to be decent

 

[Gally]

Indeed, just spoke to the guy on the phone. Seems very confident. I have my old springs there anyway so i'll pop them down to him and see what he says.

He did mention if I wasn't happy with them (I explained they had to be perfect) they would refund my money or alter the springs in anyway to suit.

Kinda wary but could be fun!

Can't remember exactly how low standard (option) Eibachs springs go from Ford. Could be 15mm. Looking at mine I could be doing with 100mm

Hmmm decisions.

 

[The Boosh!]

Well if they are shite I will bob round and sort it for you if you want. They have good reviews though. A guy at work who races a mk1 escort rally car has used them before and claims they are good.

 

[Gally]

Good news mate. I'll get the old springs off the old struts tonight after work.

Cheers for the help Lukey!

 

[mr.pink87]

^weight reduction by avoiding hundreds of illegal immigrants in your arches?

 

[Goodj]

^weight reduction by avoiding hundreds of illegal immigrants in your arches?

Suspension travel is for winners.

Snapped snpes are for the crippled

 

[Gally]

I didn't even understand the comment.

 

[Gally]

Any other views guys?

 

[mr.pink87]

Suspension travel is for winners.

Snapped snpes are for the crippled

at least you don´t need a jack for changing engine oil....

 

[Gally]

Are you following me around today in a spate of jealous posts?

 

[Toby]

Are you following me around today in a spate of jealous posts?

Hello.

 

[Gally]

I like it when you come up behind me though...

 

[Toby]

I like it when you come up behind me though...

Please step out of the vehicle.

 

[Gally]

Springs will be stripped today and packed off for testing. Looking forward to see what happens.

Can anyone with an ounce of suspension knowledge tell me what I want in suspension terms.

If I want the exact same spring, hardness, rate, rebound but a tad lower (shorter)?

I have little idea but I want the springs to perform the same or better and not effect the cars handling or foul the arches on hard cornering ect... but lower the car maybe 20mm at most.

 

[mr.pink87]

you are looking for progressive springs. they get harder with more travel. if you would use springs with the same hardness but with a shorter length, you´d be easily sitting on bump stops. Aren´t there any Eibach springs available for your car? (i am still stalking you )

 

[Gally]

No mate they signed a contract (read agreed) not to make lowering springs for the car.

As you know they make lowering springs for nearly all ford models as a factory option so they would have done for the Frp.

So progressive springs you say! I'm learning already. I guess there is a lot of trust involved because really I have no idea what i'm looking for!

Will progressive springs affect the handling?

 

[ipodsandguns]

My friend had a set made up at coil springs to your very requirements.

He wanted 20mm more drop but same spring rates and other characteristics.

In some cases where more drop is need springcoil are able to rewinding your current spring but my mate had 2 springs made up by them to cater for his needs for 100 sheets. Its some thing iv thought about for the 200.

 

[ipodsandguns]

My friend had a set made up at coil springs to your very requirements.

He wanted 20mm more drop but same spring rates and other characteristics.

In some cases where more drop is need springcoil are able to rewinding your current spring but my mate had 2 springs made up by them to cater for his needs for 100 sheets. Its some thing iv thought about for the 200.

 

[mr.pink87]

the progressive springs can be as soft as a standard spring to a definate way of spring travel and gets harder with more travel to prevent the car from sitting on bump stops. for example: if you go over a lightly bumpy road, the ride comfort should be as standard (small amount of suspension travel). if you chuck the car through a corner, the loaded springs get "harder" with more roll (more travel). you can not simply use shorter springs with the same hardness as standard (byebye shocks). The FRP is the 1.7 16v, right!? H&R makes springs for these, but i am afraid they could maybe a bit too firm for your liking. at least you could try them...

 

[Gally]

My friend had a set made up at coil springs to your very requirements.

He wanted 20mm more drop but same spring rates and other characteristics.

In some cases where more drop is need springcoil are able to rewinding your current spring but my mate had 2 springs made up by them to cater for his needs for 100 sheets. Its some thing iv thought about for the 200.

Grand mate. Where did he have them done? The springs from the above mentioned company are around 30-35 quid a spring. Pretty cheap.

the progressive springs can be as soft as a standard spring to a definate way of spring travel and gets harder with more travel to prevent the car from sitting on bump stops. for example: if you go over a lightly bumpy road, the ride comfort should be as standard (small amount of suspension travel). if you chuck the car through a corner, the loaded springs get "harder" with more roll (more travel). you can not simply use shorter springs with the same hardness as standard (byebye shocks). The FRP is the 1.7 16v, right!? H&R makes springs for these, but i am afraid they could maybe a bit too firm for your liking. at least you could try them...

The FRP has bespoke suspension mate, thats it's party piece. (have a read up on it) Of course changing the springs is a crazy idea on a car famed for it's suspension that's why they need to be spot on.

The ride is very very very hard as standard. My boss 997 turbo is better on rough terrain than my car. Infact a 996 gt2 is softer! But that's what make the FRP so good. It's rigid and flat through the corners.

 

[ipodsandguns]

Yeah coispring in sheff bro.

 

[Gally]

Superb mate, any other advice that you can give?

 

[mr.pink87]

hard ride and massive arch gap as standard!? where the ford engineers drunk?

 

[Gally]

Blame Stig Blomqvist he had a hand in it!

Help me!

 

[mr.pink87]

A decent spring specialist should do you a set of springs to your liking. Do the AST guys (powwerstation iirc) only fabricate coilover springs? H&R do custom springs aswell, but i guess they are big money. No FRP specialists here? Car wasn´t selled on the continent.

 

[Gally]

Indeed there was meant to be 1000. 500 for Britain and 500 for germany but the TT had just been released and the puma was £23,000. No German was ever really going to want one over a TT.

So 500 only made for Britain.

Anymore help on what I can request from the springcoil place as too what specification i'm looking for?

 

[mr.pink87]

Well, car-wise Germans got taste

 

[Gally]

Haha! a TT wouldn't see which way the Frp went on a B road!

 

[mr.pink87]

That´s right. Old TT is s**t. But the newer ones aren´t that bad. Good ol´ British B roads, love them.

 

[Gally]

I do like the new TT's. They need a little spec though the base model looks poor compared with the lovely mk1 shape.

 

[mr.pink87]

You like the mk1 shape? I think it looks like a new beetle which got rolled over by a tank.

 

[LIL B]

I'm guessing the only reason you're not going fully adjustable, and only going for springs is the fact that some of the bracketry would need to be semi custom? (costs)

 

[Gally]

I'm happy with everything on my car handling wise I just want it to be a ballhair lower so disturbing the least amount of the car = springs.

If I wanted adjustables they would have to be specially built for my car.

 

[LIL B]

IMO you're already compromising what the R&D have done for you on the FRP... If you're happy with it handeling wise I would leave it, do you track it?

Changing springs on any fixed dampers will limit the amount of suspension travel available (obviously) so then your roll bars aren't well tuned with the rest of your suspension really hard cornering can lead to stroking the suspension to its bump stops, effectively giving you no suspension compliance... this is IF you are tracking it, I doubt you fell the FULL use of the suspenion on the road anyway.

And factor in the lower centre of gravity, you can get VERY anal about it, granted. But you obviously clutch at the FRP's best straws hence why you have one over a Puma/

 

[Gally]

Thanks for that mate, makes sense. So you'd say there is now way they can replicate the standard springs and lower the car (slightly) without it being detrimental?

It'll never be tracked or probably pushed over 90% on the road. It's more from a looks pov as it may have OE press spacers fitted soon so it was something else I was looking at.

Hmmmm!

 

[Fred@BTM]

spoke to eibach?

we lower the trophy by "about" 15mm on the front and 30mm at the rear, h'apparently its good, sam hasn't let me near it yet though

 

[Gally]

I was really hoping you'd pop by Fred.

Eibach were the people who told us about the agreement set up not to produce lowering springs for the car. So bit of a dead end!

After reading up am I right in saying if I want to go say 20mm lower I want stiffer springs?