Evo road test of cup vs focusRs,WRX,coopS

[Frasers Cup]

Was just checking throught the evo site and i managed to find an old road test between the clio cup, focus rs, cooper s and subaru impreza wrx. And the results of it made me smile!

<A target=_blank href= "http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/roadtest/evo_roadtest_story.php?id=29870&page=1http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/roadtest/evo_roadtest_story.php?id=29870&page=1

Oh and here is something to show wrx and cooper owners. (Check the 0-100 time of the cup compared to them both!) HAHAHAHA







































Focus RS

MINI Cooper S

Clio Cup

Impreza WRX



















Engine:

In-line four-cyl, 1998cc 16v, turbo

In-line four-cyl, 1598cc 16v, supercharger

In-line four-cyl, 1998cc

Flat four, 1994cc 16v, turbo



















Cylinder head:

Aluminium alloy, dohc

Aluminium alloy, sohc

Aluminium alloy, dohc 16v

Aluminium alloy, dohc per bank



















Max power:

212bhp @ 5500rpm

161bhp @ 6000rpm

170bhp @ 6250rpm

215bhp @ 5600rpm



















Max torque:

229lb ft @ 3500rpm

155lb ft @ 4000rpm

147lb ft @ 5400rpm

215lb ft @ 3600rpm



















Transmission:

Five-speed manual, fwd

Six-speed manual, fwd

Five-speed manual, fwd

Five-speed manual, 4wd



















Front suspension:

MacPherson struts, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

MacPherson struts, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

MacPherson struts, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

MacPherson struts, coil springs gas dampers, arb



















Rear suspension:

Multi-link, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

Multi-link, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

Torsion beam, trailing arms, coil springs, gas dampers, arb

MacPherson struts, coil springs, multi-links, gas dampers, arb



















Steering:

Rack and pinion, PAS

Rack and pinion, PAS

Rack and pinion, PAS

Rack and pinion, PAS



















Brakes:

Vented discs fr, discs rear, ABS

Vented discs fr, discs rear, ABS

Vented discs fr, discs rear

Vented discs front and rear, ABS



















Tyres:

225/40 ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sport

195/55 R16 Dunlop SP Sport 3000

195/40 R16 ContiSportContact

215/45 ZR17 Bridgestone REO11



















Weight kerb:

1278kg

1140kg

1011kg

1385kg



















Power to weight:

169bhp/ton

143bhp/ton

171bhp/ton

158bhp/ton





















Focus RS

MINI Cooper S

Clio Cup

Impreza WRX



















Basic price:

£19,995

£14,500

£12,995

£21,495



















Price as tested:

£19,995

£17,600

£12,995

£21,495



















0 to 60 MPH:

5.9 secs

7.7 secs

6.5 secs

6 secs



















0 to 100 MPH:

14.9 secs

21.3 secs

17.7 secs

18.3 secs




















Verdict


4/5
4.5/5
4.5/5

4/5






Fraser


Edited by Frasers Cup on 22 June 2004 at 11:31pm]

 

[Seymour]

is that right. the frs is over 3 secs quicker to 100 than the scooby

 

[Martin]

Focus RS seems very quick, they must really fly with Bluefin etc.

 

[Frasers Cup]

Well they timed it so it must be. The std wrx doesnt have a very good pwr or torque to weight figure compared to the rs so it might just lose

Fraser

 

[Frasers Cup]

Yup i kinda like it but not sure about that power in a fwd car. Rather have a rwd or 4wd with that power so it doesnt corrupt the handling. My cup is a handful on full gas and in the rain and it only has 172 bhp, i wouldnt like to see what it would be like with over 200!

Fraser

 

[Brazo]

Ah my favourite article!

To be fair it was the bug eye scoob which dont realy count but if you read the article the cup realy trounced the RS and the cooper S

 

[Rich-D]

Here are the full figures...

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1071408356__Evo_Stats_Cup_WRX_CooperS_FocusRS.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1071408356__Evo_Stats_Cup_WRX_CooperS_FocusRS.jpg



Apparently that RS is quicker than it should be and there was some mention of more boost than standard!

 

[Brazo]

15.2 ffs cant EVO quarter mile then?

 

[Yugguy]

I think this is the most important section:







Price as tested:

£19,995

£17,600

£12,995

£21,495





The Clio is just such a bargain. Thats why I went for my 172, a brand new top hot-hatch for under 11k.

 

[mechachrome]

Quote: Originally posted by Frasers Cup on 22 June 2004


My cup is a handful on full gas and in the rain and it only has 172 bhp, Fraser

170bhp , the 172 figure is ps i believe, even says it in the article you posted.

 

[Griff]

PS means "PferdeStarke" which is the German for BHP, 172PS divide by 1.013 equates to 169.9 BHP.

 

[mechachrome]

thats what i meant

 

[TheCake]

GET

OUT

MORE

 

[Tom]

Ps is BHP (din)

Most car manufactures quote in BHP (din) Now.

 

[CHRIS172CUP]

Ive got that article at home, remember it well.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Si172 on 23 June 2004


GET

OUT

MORE

LOL

 

[rich[182]]

Still think its a pity that renault couldnt have managed a bit more torque and definitely at slightly lower revs,147 at 5400 would be nice if that could been 160 at 4500 if that was possible without having to change the map so much and affecting something else

 

[SimonV6]

Do you think they got the Focus and subaru times to 100 mixed up??

Simon.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by rich172 on 23 June 2004



Still think its a pity that renault couldnt have managed a bit more torque and definitely at slightly lower revs,147 at 5400 would be nice if that could been 160 at 4500 if that was possible without having to change the map so much and affecting something else

For a normally aspirated 2.0 litre 4 cyl engine its actually a decent amount of torque, especially in a light car! Compare it to other similar engines and theres nowt wrong in the torque department.



My old Cup actually made 153lb/ft as low as 4500rpm on the rollers, so a really strong engine with plenty of mid-range grunt.

Check the graph out &gt;&gt;&gt;

http://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Clio/Rich_D_Cup_RR_Graph_01.jpghttp://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Clio/Rich_D_Cup_RR_Graph_01.jpg



My CTR makes 158lb/ft and has a really impressive torque curve &gt;&gt;&gt;

http://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/CTR/RR%20Days/Rich_D_CTR_RR_Torque_Graph_01.jpghttp://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/CTR/RR%20Days/Rich_D_CTR_RR_Torque_Graph_01.jpg



To get a lot more low end torque werre looking at either more cylinders, a different configuration (a Vee) or forced induction.

 

[Doc]

afaik a standard 99 spec impzreza had a 0-100 of 14 secs dead. mine done it in less but had 250 brake @ the wheels. i have no idea about the new imprezas, maybe the ugleh looks make em slower

apparently so my cossie owning mate tells me, the focus RS has some fandango diff in it and will actually beat the impreza and evo around a race track


does anyone know of some good links where the CTR and CUP have been compared?

 

[Brazo]

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 23 June 2004


Do you think they got the Focus and subaru times to 100 mixed up??

Simon.

NO they are 6 secs to 60 and about 13 seconds after that to the ton!

 

[Chief Brodie]

I remember a lot of talk about the RS being modified, especially as no-one has ever got near those figures again as standard. Now bluefin is a different matter, they are quite rapid.

 

[Frasers Cup]

I know that it has 170bhp but i wasnt going to be arguing over 2bhp..... Seems a little petty.

 

[BossCup]

Classic (ie pre bug eyed..) Scoobs were a lot lighter and hence the 0-60 and 0-100 times reflect this. My old RB5 only had 217 bhp to play with but the 0-100 was in the region of 14.5 according to mags. You really need to get a PPP or otherwise tweaked bug eyed one to make rapid progress IMHO. I know which driver would have the last laugh in the wet though, bye bye fwd


[Edited by BossCup on 23 June 2004 at 6:54pm]

 

[rich[182]]

rich-d

cheers for info

 

[cliotuRS]

172s have 4wd dont they ?

 

[Doc]

sarcasm i hope FWD..