F1 GSD3's or Yoko A539??

[Pep]

which tyre's would you choose?only £20 difference in a set of four so which would be best?last longest?good grip?

 

[Pep]

or toyo proxes T1R's??

 

[Saner]

Toyos are normally cheap good all rounders, Yoko's are excellent in teh dry but s**t in the wet, Goodyears are even better all rounders

 

[Pep]

all three sets are roughly the same price, give or take £20, on my tyres the proxes got the lowest overall rating of 1.6, the lower the better, and the F1's got 2.2

 

[Saner]

I personally have only had the toyo's and yoko's from your list and am very happy with the Toyo's.

But alot of people on here say that the Goodyears ar alot better, plus i think they last longer aswell.

 

[Pep]

think ill trust the mytyres test and go for the proxes, thanks for the help!

 

[Saner]

no problem

you might find you have to run the Toyos at a slightly higher pressure if your going to be doing any fast road / track driving.

 

[NOT! gary l]

Just got four toyo proxes t1-r, but before that i had yokohama S306, which i think the A539 replaced, the yokes were awesome in the dry but not so good in the wet, which, if like me you tend not to be so hard when driving in the wet, isnt really a problem, speeds are reduced accordingly in the wet so i never judge a tyre by it's performance in such conditions, saying that it is good to know it will perform in wet conditions but it's not my main worry, dry road driving and durability are.

I have covered 22k miles in the yoke's which is good going and i hope for something similar from the toyo's although i think they are/will be a softer compount tyre.

 

[Pep]

yeah, i just bought 4 proxes, T1R's like you, got them for £121 delivered from my tyres, think i got a really good price considering the standard michelin energys on my standard wheels are £120 for two at costco, and £200 for 2 anywhere else!

how long have you had the proxes?

 

[Dan@SJM]

i didnt like the T1r's i used to have t1s and they were excellent, but the R's just squeel! but they did last 18k until they were to the cords on the edges, and that includes 2 track days.

 

[The Hoff]

F1's if you value your life.

Yoko's/Toyo if you wanna go hedge hopping/ditch jumping.

No question!

 

[Fred@BTM]

i still say this to this day Yoko A539's are one of the best dry weather tyres i've used

 

[MarkCup]

i still say this to this day Yoko A539's are one of the best dry weather tyres i've used

Agreed...very friendly on the limit.

Terrible in the wet but as above, slow the f*** down.

 

[biglunn]

I really cant understand some people - OK, if you intend to go on a racetrack then I do understand, but why would anyone want to sacrifice wet road grip for a bit extra dry grips on the public roads?

You simply couldnt (or shouldnt) reach the limits of quality tyres in the dry in day to day driving, whereas in the wet its quite easy to reach the limits - and thats what I feel is more important... wet road grip. Tyres like GSD3s and PE2s are brilliant in the wet... yes they may not be the absolute best in the dry but Im more likely to lose control sliding on a wet road than a dry one.

 

[Fred@BTM]

you shouldn't be going fast enough to lose control in the wet in the first place is my view!

 

[Djw John]

But what if some arse does something stupid in front of you completly out of your control? Then I want the best tyres! And thats why I buy GSD3s and still slow down in the wet!

 

[NOT! gary l]

you shouldn't be going fast enough to lose control in the wet in the first place is my view!

exactly, i share the same view which i state in my post, if youre credentials for buying a tyre are simply how good they are in the wet then you are only a few years from death, no tyre, bar none will give you great grip in the wet, the only way to stop death on wet roads is to reduce speed accordingly.

i dont believe that a tyre that grips well in dry doesnt grip respectably well in wet, a poor dry tyre will give poorer wet grip.

Therefore, back to my above post, i base my tyre purchases on dry gripping knowing if they are good at that then they will more than likely be half decent in wet, but as with any tyre, will need some common sense driving in wet, anyone who thinks they can drive as fast in wet connditions as they can in dry, no matter the tyre choice is sadly disillusioned and a victim of manufacturer tech jargon.

and to say you want tyres to give grip in wet in cases of heavy braking (i.e, car in front brakes suddenly), provided you follow the simple rule of increasing the distance between you and the car in front during wet conditions you wont have to brake any harder than you would if the same incident occured on a dry road.

common sense really but sadly overlooked by many folks

Ive had a few bevvies tonight and probably made the same point in every paragraph so i do apologise.

the point is, if you buy a tyre so you can push the cars limits that wee bit further in the wet then the sad fact is the grim reaper is sharpening his scythe and waiting for you.

 

[Pep]

^^i agree completely with what you say, although wet grip is a bonus i never push my car when its wet, but when its dry i tend to give it some, especially around corners as i have no straight line speed!

did a bit of research and thought that the proxes are good tyres for the money, was going to go for the GSD3's, but decided the proxes would be a good choice.

 

[biglunn]

you shouldn't be going fast enough to lose control in the wet in the first place is my view!

exactly, i share the same view which i state in my post, if youre credentials for buying a tyre are simply how good they are in the wet then you are only a few years from death, no tyre, bar none will give you great grip in the wet, the only way to stop death on wet roads is to reduce speed accordingly.

i dont believe that a tyre that grips well in dry doesnt grip respectably well in wet, a poor dry tyre will give poorer wet grip.

Therefore, back to my above post, i base my tyre purchases on dry gripping knowing if they are good at that then they will more than likely be half decent in wet, but as with any tyre, will need some common sense driving in wet, anyone who thinks they can drive as fast in wet connditions as they can in dry, no matter the tyre choice is sadly disillusioned and a victim of manufacturer tech jargon.

and to say you want tyres to give grip in wet in cases of heavy braking (i.e, car in front brakes suddenly), provided you follow the simple rule of increasing the distance between you and the car in front during wet conditions you wont have to brake any harder than you would if the same incident occured on a dry road.

common sense really but sadly overlooked by many folks

Ive had a few bevvies tonight and probably made the same point in every paragraph so i do apologise.

the point is, if you buy a tyre so you can push the cars limits that wee bit further in the wet then the sad fact is the grim reaper is sharpening his scythe and waiting for you.

Im seeing your point, but Im completely disagree with most of your points.

Firstly, I agree that you shouldnt be going too fast to lose control in the first place. Absolutely 100% agree. Lots of accidents are caused simply by someone going too fast for the conditions.

Now, if you do drive accordingly to the conditions, ACCIDENTS WILL STILL HAPPEN. Bearing this in mind, shouldnt we be allowed to choose tyres that offer more grip - for safety reasons? We buy cars on how safe and strong they are in an accident, we buy cars based on safety features such as airbags and ABS and stability control. But one of the biggest lifesavers could be the grip afforded by those little patches of rubber that grip the road.

In the dry, the grip/braking difference between the best and not so good modern tyres is not that great. But in the wet, there are HUGE differences. And in day to day life in England, these wet limits can be reached even when driving according to the road conditions. If someone else makes a mistake, you want the absolute best gripping tyres you can get.

I completely dispute your theory on the best dry gripping tyres are the best in the wet. Absolute nonsense. Over the years, the 3 best dry gripping tyres Ive ever had are Goodyear GSD2s, Michelin PE2s, and Toyo T1Ss. Of these 3, the best dry grip of all was the Toyo. And guess what - the worst in the wet was the Toyo! HUGE difference in the wet. And that difference could mean the difference between life and death, no matter how carefully you drive.

I forgive you... youve had a few bevvies! Ive had a few drinks too, so forgive me if I sound like Im speaking crap LOL!

 

[Fred@BTM]

i think it should become law to have winter tyres fitted, but thats my view!

 

[Racy Jace]

I had the GSD-3s on my impreza and the wet grip was brilliant compared to the P-zeros so Id go for the GY.

Try http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/index.jsp for surveys. They also do tests results from a track if you do a search.

Try this 4mb pdf http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/CandD_gy_f1_gs_d3/CandD_gy_f1_gs_ds.pdf

 

[Saner]

Toyo TR1's at higher pressures have performed better in the wet/damp than any other tyre I have used.

They are the second best dry tyre I have used, Yoko being first.