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Getting the best from my Racing Blue.



In roughly a months time, the blue arsed fly will be getting a nice paint correction. Of course once it's been done, I want to be getting the best from the paint over the summer months.

Now unfortunately I lack high roller status so I can't go out and buy a tub of Crystal Rock just like that!

So basically I want some advice and some opinions from those who know, what the best products are for Racing Blue.

I'll be looking for:

  • The best glaze for the money
  • The best wax for the money
Budget wise for the wax, I am considering getting Glasur, so around the £100 mark is acceptable! Not bothered about the glaze as none of them seem that expensive. I'll be applying by hand mainly as I don't have a DA polisher, although I can borrow one should it be beneficial.

I don't mind re-applying it every month or whatever as I enjoy doing it, the car does best part of 200 miles a week so although durability is of course a consideration, I place the finished look higher on my list.

At the moment I am using Collinite 476's as it seemed very durable for the winter months, and it does seem to have done the job very well, naturally I want something a little more glossy for when the sun shines :)

So talk to me...
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
if your car is being corrected, then a pre wax cleaner may be more suitable than a glaze as little filling will be required. Wax is a personal choice and with a budget of £100 there's too many to list. narrow it down with what you want from a wax would help.

I'm guessing you have your wash and decon stage sorted first to keep it in good condition?
 
You've answered your own question really. Glasur is a great bet. However, Natty's Blue (£12 and still up there) looks like this;

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You've answered your own question really. Glasur is a great bet. However, Natty's Blue (£12 and still up there)

Hmmm right, would I see the difference over Zymol Carbon? Are there no other decent waxes for the money?

I'm guessing you have your wash and decon stage sorted first to keep it in good condition?

Yeah, Iron-X, Tardis, G101 (Ill be getting Citrus Power for when I want to preserve the wax) 2BM, Clay.

Wax: Buy Turner's Zymol Carbon off him ;) it looked great on his RB

Tempting....
 
Hmmm right, would I see the difference over Zymol Carbon? Are there no other decent waxes for the money?



Yeah, Iron-X, Tardis, G101 (Ill be getting Citrus Power for when I want to preserve the wax) 2BM, Clay.



Tempting....

The sheeting on Glasur is better, looks wise on my red it was better as well. There are many other waxes out there, like Vics. However, with Racing Blue I would be looking at a sealant personally. Werkstat kits work very well on flat blues, like the Carnauba kit. Circa £20 for the spray sealant (Jett) and £20 for the paint cleanser (Prime).

Gally has tried some of the boutique waxes like Celeste, Dave I think has tried the AutoFinesse waxes like Spirit - worth asking them.
 
Right okay, I prefer the idea of a wax over a sealant. Somehow the idea of a sealant is very sterile, I like applying a wax, by hand. Feels like I've properly cared for it then :eek:

That AF seems nice, it's frustrating because I want to try them all, but I don't want to start putting a million different waxes on, kind of want to start with a good one!
 
Can't go wrong with AF fella. Truly a fantastic brand - amazing how companies can still rewrite the industry market with such "ease".

Pretty sure RussZS swears by Desire - if so, that might as well be a "/closethread" on your decision making process :)

And completely agree on the wax versus sealant malarky, although they do have their place. Applied Vics Red by hand for the first time in months the other day. Shivered!
 

Christopher

ClioSport Club Member
  Z4M
Zymol Carbon results.

After about four coats. I loved it on mine.

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Un-edited pic, so you can see the gloss a bit better.

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I miss that car already. FML.
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
shame your not local as I have small little sample pots of soul, passion and spirit I don't use any more, and full size pots of spirit and desire. they are very nice waxes, although can't compare to Zymol as I still haven't tried my samples. they spread very easily, beading and sheeting is very good and stays for the full length of the waxes durability. spirit and desire expect 6months with good wash technique. Desire is lovely to use, worth the extra over spirit, and I won my pot and paid full for spirit.

what do you want from a wax????
 
Dave you should do a test if you have the sample pots. I'm sure James would be interested to see a thread on DW and on here, say 50:50 bonnet and two wings. That's four decent sized areas, say on a Panzer ;)
 
You selling your Carbon Chris???

:eek:

Even if he doesn't buy, use, sell on. Minimal loss on waxes I've found. Sold my Glasur to a guy who enquired about my Clio at a show, years ago. Had it with me, sold it for £10 less than I paid and I'd used it a good few times.
 
what do you want from a wax????

I would put gloss/slickness first.
Durability second.
Application last as I enjoy waxing, it never is much of a chore.

Of course the price would have to be right for it!

shame your not local as I have small little sample pots of soul, passion and spirit I don't use any more, and full size pots of spirit and desire.

Would you be interested in selling the big pots or do you mean you have them but you're still using them?
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
Dave you should do a test if you have the sample pots. I'm sure James would be interested to see a thread on DW and on here, say 50:50 bonnet and two wings. That's four decent sized areas, say on a Panzer ;)

I'd not thought about testing them together, may have to test all 4 soon. if you find your only way to Essex, you're more than welcome to try anything in my collection. What's on the Panzer now?

I would put gloss/slickness first.
Durability second.
Application last as I enjoy waxing, it never is much of a chore.

Of course the price would have to be right for it!

Would you be interested in selling the big pots or do you mean you have them but you're still using them?

No sorry mate, was saying you could try my desire or spirit, or have the sample pots, I had 2 of each so still have an unused soul and spirit and half a pot of passion.

Passion looked awesome IMO, but I went for spirit for the added durability. Vics are very nice but I can't get durability past 6weeks. Desire is everything!
 
Out of interest. How can you tell when a wax is no longer offering the protection it should.
Like people say durability only lasted a month, or durability was still going strong after six months?
How can you tell. Is it how water/rain beads on it or whether tar is sticking to it or..!
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Beading isn't everything to be honest but you can tell when the water simply isn't sheeting off the panel anymore.

To the OP. Buy some Glasur. Second hand if you can.

Get some auto finnese rejuvenate to clean the paint after decon and then Prime Amigo them Glasur. All avail from cyc.

Buy some decent shampoo and a canauba top up spray. Sonus carnauba spritz comes highly recommended. Shampoo. Gwash or btbm. :)

Take care of Glasur and it'll be fantastic.
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
Out of interest. How can you tell when a wax is no longer offering the protection it should.
Like people say durability only lasted a month, or durability was still going strong after six months?
How can you tell. Is it how water/rain beads on it or whether tar is sticking to it or..!

beading is maybe the start to show it may be getting tired but it should still sheet water, wash off is a good indicator, if anything is sticking
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
either or, depends what you want to achieve. If I just want to give it a quick once over to apply a new LSP then hand. If you want to get the best of the cleaning and filling ability then DA. I've only done it once, but with rotary you will get a small level of correction also.

Leaves a nice base by hand or machine
 
  Golf GT & A4 Avant
Last Stage Product I think, so yeah wax or sealant.

depends on what glaze you use, as some products cross the lines and blend into both. rejuvenate does have some filling ability, whereas some glazes do a reasonable job of cleaning so all depends on the individual product.
 
  Not a 320d
All look the bloody same anyways. Nattys is a good shout JD.

Carbon is good though, if youre correcting, wipe down with IPA and then apply Carbon. looks good and lasts a fair while. One of my favorites. Also spreads really really well.
 

riz

ClioSport Club Member
  Jaguar XFR
If your getting it corrected then i wouldnt actually bother spending alot of money on a wax. Polishing brings the best shine out of a car. I had a racing blue and used Dodo Purple haze or Collinites 476. Both looked really nice after i polished up well. Spending an extra £50 on a wax will add 5% more to the finish. Whereas polishing it well will add alot more to the finish.


There is a thread on detailing world about it by Dave KG , detailing guru, where he voices his opinion which is similar to mine. After i bought a G220 i found that did alot more to my paintwork than expensive waxes.


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Agree about polishing, Riz, but Dave also uses crystal rock and other waxes... I see no reason to skimp on longevity and looks if the OP can afford it.
 
Agree about polishing, Riz, but Dave also uses crystal rock and other waxes... I see no reason to skimp on longevity and looks if the OP can afford it.

Exactly, surely I won't need to touch it with polish for a while after it's been corrected?

Tbh, I want to start doing as much of the cleaning and drying by a touchless method as possible, so things like AF Citrus Power will be getting used, and I'm tempted by an air force blaster.

I want to preserve the work that will be done in the correction for as long as possible. A good wax is therefore needed imo.
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
I would disagree Riz, only from the pov that waxing is more than about the finish. Use an expensive wax, and tell me that it's not nicer to use than 476? I like Dodo Juice though, Purple Haze is one of my favourites!

Waxing is about more than just the finish it gives.
 

riz

ClioSport Club Member
  Jaguar XFR
Agree about polishing, Riz, but Dave also uses crystal rock and other waxes... I see no reason to skimp on longevity and looks if the OP can afford it.

I don't see it as scrimping at all. Longevity is also provided by the sealant. A crap wax is a crap wax, once you go over a certain quality of wax, the op wouldn't notice much difference.

Obviously a better wax has better protection. But 50quid more than a competitors? Nope it's not worth the outlay in my opinion. In terms of looks the difference is minimal. Im not being obtuse I just think there are plenty of waxes at a competitive price that do a great job.
 
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I don't see the need to scrimp. Longevity will be provided by the sealant. A crap wax is a crap wax, once you go over a certain quality of wax, the op wouldn't notice much difference.

My wax IS the sealant though isn't is?

I enjoy waxing my car, so if a wax provides a nice finish, and is a joy to apply, then I will go for that, over a wax with a similar final finish, but is a lot harder to apply.
 

riz

ClioSport Club Member
  Jaguar XFR
My wax IS the sealant though isn't is?

I enjoy waxing my car, so if a wax provides a nice finish, and is a joy to apply, then I will go for that, over a wax with a similar final finish, but is a lot harder to apply.

A more expensive wax doesn't mean it's necessarily easier to apply.
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
A more expensive wax doesn't mean it's necessarily easier to apply.

That is a fact. But they are still so much nicer to use. Ask yourself why if 476 last 12 months easily why doesn't everyone use it? People buy BOS, it lasts about 2 months once the oils leave it but on a Black car the finish it leaves on a well prepped surface is unreal, all from the oils.

Imo the OP should get C1 on his car. Then he can have the protection and if he wants to top it he can. :)
 
Imo the OP should get C1 on his car. Then he can have the protection and if he wants to top it he can. :)

I've actually toyed with this idea, would it not affect the wax on top? i.e I would still get a nice finish, but if the wax ever got stripped, I would have the C1 as an "undercoat" if you like?
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Indeed. I'm still fighting the temptation to top C1, how it can bead and sheet like day 1 is fascinating, honestly it's the best protection i've seen since I started detailing. I always said it will be the first thing I would do on any future car I own.

Then if you want to top the wax for some looks you'll be fine. It'll last maybe a but less than normal but you'll still have the C1.
 

riz

ClioSport Club Member
  Jaguar XFR
That is a fact. But they are still so much nicer to use. Ask yourself why if 476 last 12 months easily why doesn't everyone use it? People buy BOS, it lasts about 2 months once the oils leave it but on a Black car the finish it leaves on a well prepped surface is unreal, all from the oils.

Imo the OP should get C1 on his car. Then he can have the protection and if he wants to top it he can. :)

I personally have never had an issue with 476. Works a treat easy to apply and remove.

I totally appreciate detailing and am not sceptical at all.

But using waxes especially more expensive waxes gives detailing nerds ( me included) a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Opening the nice little glass pot for the first time after its been delivered in its little cardboard box with polystyrene bits everywhere. The smell of the carnauba oils, the softness at which it touches the pad. Gliding the applicator all over the paintwork like your rubbing oil over a supermodels chest. Buffing the paintwork with our plush towels. Then you stand back and look at it and go wow.

Ive wasted enough money on detailing fads that i am happy with Jeffs and 476. yes certain waxes may give a slightly better look. But marginal.
I reached a brick wall with my Racing Blue. It was impossible to make it anymore shinier/glossier/smoother/silkier.


We will always disagree on this.
 


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