H+R's on widetrack (Trophee) ?

[franx]

Hi all,

I believe the 172 trophee is fitted with larger frontwheel bearings (larger+stronger hubs ?) and the front wheels are around 1 centimeter further apart in comparisson to the regular cup , i believe it's called widetrack ?

When purchasing H+R's for this set-up, do you need the same ones as the regular cup ones ? The guy in the workshop who does my car told me to check this because they might be different, because of the camber being different with the wider track....

Maybe just need to get these adjustable camber-bolts that, for example, K-tec sells ?

Any Trophee drivers who can comment ?

cheers

 

[franx]

no one ?

 

[Peperami]

Why would you want to put h&r's on a trophy? It already has special dampers.

Do you mean the 172 cup? What colour is your car?

 

[franx]

The guy who does my car has easy access to Renault Sport parts , he showed me these hubs (?) to fit on my 172 cup. (It was the part with the bearings in it)

Before this i was already thinking of doing the H+r's , now i'm thinking of doing both at the same time.

Also getting group N enginemounts so should be a different car when done !

 

[franx]

... and dont think i can afford the original Trophee suspensionset, the H+R's will do lovely anyway !

 

[Da]

The Cup and non-Cup hubs are the same in 172's aren't they? Just that the ABS sensor (obviously) isn't used on the Cup.

 

[Peperami]

The same suspension will fit both normal and cup 172's.

Its the 182's that have many different kinds of suspension.

I wouldnt bother changing the hubs fella.

 

[franx]

The same suspension will fit both normal and cup 172's.

Its the 182's that have many different kinds of suspension.

I wouldnt bother changing the hubs fella.

Why not ? no sense in having the wider track ?

He also said the bearing is a lot stronger and will last much better than the cup one. My cup has done round 64k so maybe a good one to do with the 74 service coming up

 

[Da]

There will be no benefit in fitting any form of 172 hub as it's the same as what you have already, that's the point we're getting at.

What exactly, hub wise, are you wanting to fit to yours?

As for the wider track that's surely a different suspension setup completely coupled with different offset wheels. It wouldn't be a case of simply swapping the hubs I'm sure.

Surely your mechanic should know these answers?

 

[franx]

There will be no benefit in fitting any form of 172 hub as it's the same as what you have already, that's the point we're getting at.
If you're replacing the hubs to widen the track then I doubt very much they're 172 hubs.

You maybe right here, i would'nt know if the hubs he showed me were from a 172 setup. We compared the two and it was bigger. He was talking about the Trophee widetrack setup. I thought the Trophee was a modified 172 ...

I'm from Holland but i'm thinking we are talking about the same cars.

 

[Da]

Ah I see. The 172's are the same hubs as far as I know.

The 182's have a couple of variations but I believe the track is unchanged throughout.

As for the Trophy's, this is a 182 limited edition but again I believe it has the same track as a 182 be it Cup or standard. The Trophy does however benefit from the expensive Sachs suspension.

 

[franx]

There will be no benefit in fitting any form of 172 hub as it's the same as what you have already, that's the point we're getting at.

What exactly, hub wise, are you wanting to fit to yours?

As for the wider track that's surely a different suspension setup completely coupled with different offset wheels. It wouldn't be a case of simply swapping the hubs I'm sure.

Surely your mechanic should know these answers?

He wants to sell me these so maybe he's prejudice (?) in his opinion to me. That's why i wanted to ask on here and get some more objective opinions.

 

[franx]

Ah I see. The 172's are the same hubs as far as I know.

The 182's have a couple of variations but I believe the track is unchanged throughout.

As for the Trophy's, this is a 182 limited edition but again I believe it has the same track as a 182 be it Cup or standard. The Trophy does however benefit from the expensive Sachs suspension.

No no, i'm quite sure the track is different in one of the clio versions. The trophee (i think) has the expensive Sachs but also widetrack . It's only 0,5 or 0,4mm on each side we're talking about. so it will fit without any problem in the fenders (?) no need for different offset wheels.

 

[Da]

It is, the 182 has a wider track than the 172. This is down to a combination of suspension components though.

Cannot really comment on the Trophy as I've no real knowledge there.

 

[Da]

Just before i log off and go to sleep...

Options on the 182 included Cup suspension and splitter packs. The suspension pack lowered the car a few mm made the dampers, springs and shocks a bit harder also the wheels come in a darker colour. Included in the Cup suspension pack was different hubs which have 60mm hub bolt spacing they are also up rated as they run about 1 degree more camber vs none Cup packed cars

The last of the production models was the Trophy. It was produced using the 182 Cup body but the dampers were changed for Sach's remote dampers at the front and Sachs (none seperate reserviored) at the rear. Springs at the front were changed and suspension camber etc is changed.

 

[franx]

cheers, this is what i meant with getting other opinions. Great site to check up on things and learn some more

the regular 182 has the same track as the 172 though....
The mechanic warned me about the camber change. When the hubs are 0,4mm further outwards, it will automaticly change the camber.

 

[drhowser]

only the cup has a wider track, and that comes from running a different offset on the wheels, the position of the hubs stays the same on all the rs's

 

[Rich_16v]

^ what he said

A 172 Cup has a lower offset than the rest of the renaultsport clios meaning the wheels sit marginally further out giving the 10mm wider track

All the hubs are the same apart from the lack of abs

 

[Fred@BTM]

only the cup has a wider track, and that comes from running a different offset on the wheels, the position of the hubs stays the same on all the rs's

incorrect! wheel offset is part of it, but the rear is different on a 172cup Vs a normal one

 

[drhowser]

really? what is the difference out of interest?

 

[franx]

^ what he said

A 172 Cup has a lower offset than the rest of the renaultsport clios meaning the wheels sit marginally further out giving the 10mm wider track

All the hubs are the same apart from the lack of abs

Still, we compared the two hubs and it was bigger, also the bigger bearing in there. So not all are the same...


ANy more ideas anyone ?

...Maybe he showed me a Espace hub and is putting me on haha ....

 

[franx]

after reading all of the reactions i'm getting the feeling that i should not go on with buying the hubs he's offered me.

If everybody on here says there's no difference between the cup and the Trophy hubs then i am really curious about what the guy showed me. :S

bigger bearings, bigger hub... could it be the Williams widetrack he showed me or do'nt these ones fit ?

 

[Gaz_]

182 cup, 182 cup-packed suspension (anthricite alloys) and 182 trophy all have the same hubs. These are fitted with bigger bearings etc. A standard 182 (with silver alloys) has the 172 hub set up. Simple.

 

[franx]

Thank you Gaz, this answer i can work with.
Maybe still worth it to get these hubs... (if mine are worn out)


I just did'nt know the 172 cup ones were smaller...

 

[Gaz_]

yeah the 172 cup (ragnotti) has a wider front track simply because of the alloys, nothig to do with the hubs. If you changed your hubs, to 182 units the suspension legs will have to be changed as the bolt spacing is different too.

The 182 cup has 60mm (seen here on my 182 cup-packed car), the 172's are less.

 

[franx]

Nice one Gaz, and everyone else thanks for their reactions !

The man told me i should be looking for the H+R set up for the Clio Sport 2005year and up so now i know why.

He's also offering a lot of other 182 parts like wheels etc. . Because of his connections i'm thinking they can get a hold of a lot of "old" clio stuff (since the new clio has come out, the 182 parts are up for sale for bargain prices ??)

 

[Peperami]

No sense changing the hubs mate, wont get any benefit from it and will involve a lot of work.

Just get a set of h&R's for a 172 cup.

 

[franx]

This has taken away any doubt to do this hub mod, thanks Peparami.

The H+Rs will set me back enough euro's. This adres is (in Holland) the cheapest you can get them, maybe interesting for people in England as well : www.dutchpowertrading.nl

I've noticed that he's gone up a hundred euros since last year, shame ....

thanx!

 

[franx]

979,20 euro's to be exact.

Once you have found your way on this site, you'l notice that it's German language from there.. select your car-brand (bitte wahlen sie ihren fahrzeug) and you'll find your answer..

 

[franx]

good price ?