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Honda S2000's



  Golf 7R
Anyone had any experience with these Rwd rev happy cars, im seriously considering making the change from the cup. How will it compare speed, handling, and never driven a Rwd dont know what to expect.

Any help or comments appreciated!
 
  '18 Megane dci
Try and find someone local that will let you have a long test drive, best way to be honest. Be careful in the wet, awesome in the dry, engine/gearbox to die for, check for complete Honda service history and optional oil changes done preferably.

Here's some helpful info I have in a word doc...

Security
Don't buy a car without a V5 (registration document or log book) and don't fall for the old 'The paperwork's at Swansea' (the HQ of the DVLA) excuse. Check that the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) quoted on the V5 matches those on the MOT certificate (if the car is over 3 years old) and the car: look at the VIN plate on the engine, through the bottom of the windscreen and any numbers etched on the windows. Look for signs that these numbers and plates have been altered or tampered with. Make sure that the registration plate matches the plate quoted on the MOT and V5. Check that the person selling the car is the person named on the V5. If not, why not?

Checking the car
Look for obvious signs of wear and tear, accident damage or rust, but be realistic - a 5-year-old car is quite likely to have a few minor scratches. Do all the panels match? Are there signs of overspray, for example on seals? Are the gaps between panels more or less equal, and do both doors hang and open and shut correctly? Look along the car from the back to the front, do all the 'lines' flow along the car - do this on both sides.
If the seats are saggy and the steering wheel worn smooth, then the car's a high-miler, whatever the mileometer (or the seller) says. Other signs of high mileage include worn or missing pedal rubbers (or brand-new ones), a driver's seatbelt that doesn't retract properly, worn carpet under the driver's mat, damaged trim etc. Are the carpets wet, especially in the driver's footwell? This could mean leaking seals.
Look in the boot, and lift up the carpet. Are there any signs of welding? Or is the floor rippled from an impact? Look under the bonnet at the front for similar signs of front-end impact. Look at both the front corners and down the sides for signs of welding or botched repair to the inner wings (also a chance to note down the VIN).
All the tyres should match, and if they are Bridgestone, they should be of type ES02JZ which are made especially for the car. If the car is a 2004 model or later they will be RE050 rather than ES02. Some owners put other types of tyres on the car, this can improve wet-weather performance which on ES02s, can be entertaining.
On pre-2004 models, if they aren't the OEM tyres (ES02JZ) then check they are slightly wider (245 rear section).
Uneven tyre wear on the fronts is common and not a sign of a problem (they wear more on the inside due to geometry so check across the width of the tyres).

Checking the owner
Check the the owner knows about the various recalls that are needed and are beneficial.. For example:
Necessary - oil bolt recall must be done if applicable to the car to prevent oil starvation and potential engine failure
Nice to have - 055 clutch replacement, not essential as AFAIK the clutch doesn't fail, but it is noisey when hot and coasting (foot off accelerator) in lower gears (2/3/4) at about 5-3k revs. They're all noisey, but the 054 clutch was very noisey at times.
If you get the VIN from the owner, you can check to see if there are outstanding warranty recalls remaining from the Honda website - Honda VIN check - this will only show you any mandatory ones - not things like the clutch or wheels (see below) EDIT - seems this link is currently broken, instead you could call a dealer and ask them to check their database, they all have the ability to do so and most seem friendly enough to help if you explain why you want to check.

Check that they know to regularly check the oil, some cars use a lot of oil all their lives, this is quite normal, some use very little and the oil issue seems to be fixed on 2004 models.

Check that they run it on 98 fuel most of the time (recommended, but not essential)

Check wheels for corrosion/pitting (especially on leading edge of spokes) - can be replaced under warranty, but cars over 3 years of age are likely to be out of warranty (an extended Honda warranty is available for those who have a full Honda service history however).

Check rear (plastic) window is pretty clear, it won't be perfect, but when looked after it should be fine to see through.

Check seat bolsters to make sure that they're firm - they get squashed when getting in and out of the car. Some cars seem to have collapsed sooner than others. (perhaps due to the width of the drivers butt)

Check that the car has a wind deflector between the seats rollover hoops - option on earlier cars and will cost you £60 - £90 from a salvage yard.

Test driving
Driving the car will probably feel different to any other car you have driven, especially if you're used to FWD cars, the car drives from the back end, it also has passive rear wheel steering which makes the car feel like it almost 'twists' when applying power when cornering. The gears are very close and the gearbox is quite tight, however gears should select cleanly when the gearbox oil is warm. The car should pull cleanly up to 9000rpm once there are 3 bars on the temperature gauge, there should be no hesitation. The temperature should never go above 3 bars. The handbrake is notoriously bad and may not hold the car on a
slope unless fully raised. The clutch is also a delicate part of the car and will slip badly if abused - release it smoothly and quite quickly, if you slip the clutch too much, it will begin to lose it's bite and you may have to allow it to cool. Brakes are very firm and the car should not wander under heavy braking.

Doing the deal
Do the vendor's reasons for selling sound genuine? Does what they have to say about the car ring true? How much service history comes with the car? Ask to see the service book, which should show main dealer or specialist maintenance. This can be faked, however, so it might be worth checking with the garage. How long is the car's MOT? A genuine seller with nothing to hide shouldn't mind putting the car through a new test as a condition of sale, and you can then negotiate the sale around any problems found. Bargain for the cost of a new tax disc, if that's about
to expire and remember that a new set of Bridgestone tyres will be £350 or more. be realistic though, if you're buying in the heat of summer, you won't be able to bargain as much as in the middle of February.


I'm yet to try the strip in mine yet... :D
 
  Yaris Hybrid
Dare I retype everything I have written in a hundred other S2k threads!

They are heavy, almost as heavy as my old shape Vectra. When we put my mates in his garage we discovered that it was the size of a family saloon too.

I drove my mates older version and it is worth remembering that from 02 or something onwards they improved the handling. Anyway his either understeered or went very nervous on you. The engine has no more torque than a 182 or CTR and produces it at higher revs so combined with its weight can feel gutless. I didn't notice any kick or excitement in the rev range although others say they have.

My mates rear screen was white at 3 years old and we spent hours rubbing it with this screen restore stuff for only a slight improvement. His wheels were flaking and corroding too and not from curb damage. The gearbox failed in the hands of the next owner although my mate also broke the gearbox on a CTR and P1 so it could just be him....

He had to remove the fuse from the washers because his left arm kept triggering it. I would concede that it will pull a few car lengths on a 182 or CTR to 100 but without that reference point it doesn't actually feel any quicker and can feel slower. Standing start figures distort in favour of an RWD so don't expect it to feel as quick as the 0-100 time suggests.

That should give you a few pointers to look at when inspecting cars...
 
  Elise,Pum,WRX,MCS,R6
Dare I retype everything I have written in a hundred other S2k threads!

They are heavy, almost as heavy as my old shape Vectra. When we put my mates in his garage we discovered that it was the size of a family saloon too.

I drove my mates older version and it is worth remembering that from 02 or something onwards they improved the handling. Anyway his either understeered or went very nervous on you. The engine has no more torque than a 182 or CTR and produces it at higher revs so combined with its weight can feel gutless. I didn't notice any kick or excitement in the rev range although others say they have.

My mates rear screen was white at 3 years old and we spent hours rubbing it with this screen restore stuff for only a slight improvement. His wheels were flaking and corroding too and not from curb damage. The gearbox failed in the hands of the next owner although my mate also broke the gearbox on a CTR and P1 so it could just be him....

He had to remove the fuse from the washers because his left arm kept triggering it. I would concede that it will pull a few car lengths on a 182 or CTR to 100 but without that reference point it doesn't actually feel any quicker and can feel slower. Standing start figures distort in favour of an RWD so don't expect it to feel as quick as the 0-100 time suggests.

That should give you a few pointers to look at when inspecting cars...


truly positive review!
 
  Golf 7R
Try and find someone local that will let you have a long test drive, best way to be honest. Be careful in the wet, awesome in the dry, engine/gearbox to die for, check for complete Honda service history and optional oil changes done preferably.

Here's some helpful info I have in a word doc...

Security
Don't buy a car without a V5 (registration document or log book) and don't fall for the old 'The paperwork's at Swansea' (the HQ of the DVLA) excuse. Check that the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) quoted on the V5 matches those on the MOT certificate (if the car is over 3 years old) and the car: look at the VIN plate on the engine, through the bottom of the windscreen and any numbers etched on the windows. Look for signs that these numbers and plates have been altered or tampered with. Make sure that the registration plate matches the plate quoted on the MOT and V5. Check that the person selling the car is the person named on the V5. If not, why not?

Checking the car
Look for obvious signs of wear and tear, accident damage or rust, but be realistic - a 5-year-old car is quite likely to have a few minor scratches. Do all the panels match? Are there signs of overspray, for example on seals? Are the gaps between panels more or less equal, and do both doors hang and open and shut correctly? Look along the car from the back to the front, do all the 'lines' flow along the car - do this on both sides.
If the seats are saggy and the steering wheel worn smooth, then the car's a high-miler, whatever the mileometer (or the seller) says. Other signs of high mileage include worn or missing pedal rubbers (or brand-new ones), a driver's seatbelt that doesn't retract properly, worn carpet under the driver's mat, damaged trim etc. Are the carpets wet, especially in the driver's footwell? This could mean leaking seals.
Look in the boot, and lift up the carpet. Are there any signs of welding? Or is the floor rippled from an impact? Look under the bonnet at the front for similar signs of front-end impact. Look at both the front corners and down the sides for signs of welding or botched repair to the inner wings (also a chance to note down the VIN).
All the tyres should match, and if they are Bridgestone, they should be of type ES02JZ which are made especially for the car. If the car is a 2004 model or later they will be RE050 rather than ES02. Some owners put other types of tyres on the car, this can improve wet-weather performance which on ES02s, can be entertaining.
On pre-2004 models, if they aren't the OEM tyres (ES02JZ) then check they are slightly wider (245 rear section).
Uneven tyre wear on the fronts is common and not a sign of a problem (they wear more on the inside due to geometry so check across the width of the tyres).

Checking the owner
Check the the owner knows about the various recalls that are needed and are beneficial.. For example:
Necessary - oil bolt recall must be done if applicable to the car to prevent oil starvation and potential engine failure
Nice to have - 055 clutch replacement, not essential as AFAIK the clutch doesn't fail, but it is noisey when hot and coasting (foot off accelerator) in lower gears (2/3/4) at about 5-3k revs. They're all noisey, but the 054 clutch was very noisey at times.
If you get the VIN from the owner, you can check to see if there are outstanding warranty recalls remaining from the Honda website - Honda VIN check - this will only show you any mandatory ones - not things like the clutch or wheels (see below) EDIT - seems this link is currently broken, instead you could call a dealer and ask them to check their database, they all have the ability to do so and most seem friendly enough to help if you explain why you want to check.

Check that they know to regularly check the oil, some cars use a lot of oil all their lives, this is quite normal, some use very little and the oil issue seems to be fixed on 2004 models.

Check that they run it on 98 fuel most of the time (recommended, but not essential)

Check wheels for corrosion/pitting (especially on leading edge of spokes) - can be replaced under warranty, but cars over 3 years of age are likely to be out of warranty (an extended Honda warranty is available for those who have a full Honda service history however).

Check rear (plastic) window is pretty clear, it won't be perfect, but when looked after it should be fine to see through.

Check seat bolsters to make sure that they're firm - they get squashed when getting in and out of the car. Some cars seem to have collapsed sooner than others. (perhaps due to the width of the drivers butt)

Check that the car has a wind deflector between the seats rollover hoops - option on earlier cars and will cost you £60 - £90 from a salvage yard.

Test driving
Driving the car will probably feel different to any other car you have driven, especially if you're used to FWD cars, the car drives from the back end, it also has passive rear wheel steering which makes the car feel like it almost 'twists' when applying power when cornering. The gears are very close and the gearbox is quite tight, however gears should select cleanly when the gearbox oil is warm. The car should pull cleanly up to 9000rpm once there are 3 bars on the temperature gauge, there should be no hesitation. The temperature should never go above 3 bars. The handbrake is notoriously bad and may not hold the car on a
slope unless fully raised. The clutch is also a delicate part of the car and will slip badly if abused - release it smoothly and quite quickly, if you slip the clutch too much, it will begin to lose it's bite and you may have to allow it to cool. Brakes are very firm and the car should not wander under heavy braking.

Doing the deal
Do the vendor's reasons for selling sound genuine? Does what they have to say about the car ring true? How much service history comes with the car? Ask to see the service book, which should show main dealer or specialist maintenance. This can be faked, however, so it might be worth checking with the garage. How long is the car's MOT? A genuine seller with nothing to hide shouldn't mind putting the car through a new test as a condition of sale, and you can then negotiate the sale around any problems found. Bargain for the cost of a new tax disc, if that's about
to expire and remember that a new set of Bridgestone tyres will be £350 or more. be realistic though, if you're buying in the heat of summer, you won't be able to bargain as much as in the middle of February.


I'm yet to try the strip in mine yet... :D

Truly helpful post, i know there not shy. I have had a few run ins and on both occasions they pulled pretty convincingly after say 50 or so, and my cup does not hang about.

Thanks again ppl, i think a test drive is in order!
 
Drove my mates 2001 model over the weekend. Back end felt like it was always ready to play in lower gears. Straight line pace wasn't as good as I was expecting from the best part of 240 ponies but it certainly wasn't no slouch. I think the Hartge Cooper S would have kept up over a sprint and definatley feels more potent mid range. Will have a run against him in the Cayman S very soon. Should hope I will pull easy on him? Be dissapointed if not tbh!
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
When i had my 172 cup (exhaust only) the S2k ((std) was no quicker from 30-110. My mate has had two.!

From standstill did pull away but it's rwd for will always be better than fwd. That where it gets its advantage on the strip.

Just my experience.....dont get me wrong i would have one they are great cars.
 

ChrisR

ClioSport Club Member
I drove my mates older version and it is worth remembering that from 02 or something onwards they improved the handling.

iirc it was made "better" for the average road user, it was made a little softer.

Pre-changes there was little indication you were about to slide off into a hedge/wall, it gripped right up to the last minute then whoops.

After the change it let you know a bit earlier it was going to head into that wall/hedge :)

Stunning looking cars though, loving the knightrider dash too!
 
  RB 182 with CUP packs
Stunning cars in standard form.

If you can afford to go for '04 onwards as there were quite a few revisions.

Will be probably be my next car. Would have one tomorrow if I had the money.
 
  Elise/VX220/R26
never driven one myself but they have the right stuff (power, rear wheel drive, roof off) Go for it :D
 
  SLK 350
I've raced one of these 20-110mph, was stuck to his bumper the whole time, although i think he may have pulled on my if the road had remained straight for longer.

Lovely cars though, aging very well indeed! Early low miler with facelift alloys...can hardly pick them apart tbh.

Along with a VX/350Z one of these is on 'the list'.
 


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