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BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

At the moment I have all sony components and a sony HU, but all with standard wiring, is it worth upgrading all the wires for the speakers?

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

Yes it will make a huge difference but i won't bother with sony, i would look at either Rainbow or genesis for the front speakers and make sure you amp them, this will give the fronts more dynamics and charactor and depth.

The Bear · Jul 10, 2006

IMO it depends on how much power/current you are pushing through the wires.

If the system is only running off the HU's amp then I doubt you would hear much difference.

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

Whoops read that a bit wrong.

I thought he said would it be worth amping the fronts for some reason.

I'm with the bear changing speaker won't make much or a defferece for what power you are running. You only need to upgrade your cables when you amp your fronts. I'm running 200rms to my mids and i use 12awg.

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

the HU is 50rms. Do you think that I should change the front speakers and amp the front and the rear 6x9s aswell?

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

are these good for the fronts then? http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3972.html

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

The H/U will put no where near that out something more like 17rms if your lucky.

If i were you i would get rid of the rears and 6x9s and just put the money towards some good fronts with alot of power. And put some sound deadening in the front doors

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

They are coxails you have linked to, you want componants. Do you have a budget?

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

no budget. but dont i need sound at the back aswell?

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

No thats what alot of people say, but if you get good fronts and give them alot of power there will be plenty of sound trust me

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

ok, will I need a sub with these? and could you snd me the link to this so I know where to look. Thanks

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

Yes i would say get a sub, its will improve the sound alot. www.caraudiodirect.com

If you say a budget i could recomend you some stuff

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

proberly around £250, but if its good then I will go over, I love music so its important to me.

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

I already have sony HU and sony 120wat 6x9s and 110wat door speakers, jus so you know

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

What are you after from your system SQ or SQL

What do you need fronts, amp and sub?

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

what the hell is SQ and SQL, yes I need fronts amp and a sub

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

SQ = Sound quality
SQL = Sound quality but with alot volume

Do you want me to try and get a list of equipment for you? You will struggle to get SQL with £250 though, unless you go second hand

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

Ummm...try to get the best price for the SQL then. Thanks

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 10, 2006

This is real good budget amp can't be beaten price wise

Amp = http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=4140

Sub = http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=4235

Fronts (Might be worth making some door pods so you can fit 6.5s in there like mine) = http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3855

If you bridge the 3 & 4 for the sub and run the fronts of 1 & 2 normally this should sound nice for a budget system.

Don't forget you need a wiring kit and a enclosure, i would say make your own enclosure as Prefab boxes are normally pants and over priced

If you can afford it as well sound deadening will improve mid-bass

BenWall · Jul 10, 2006

so those fronts that you have suggested wont fit in my mk1 doors unless I do something like you?

The Bear · Jul 11, 2006

No they won't fit without specially built speaker pods or MDF spacer rings.

You don't actually NEED to buy 6.5" door speakers like XXXChromeClioXXX. He has done it so he gets more midbass from his front door speakers.

A decent set of 5.25" components will be fine as long as you amp them up and buy a sub to give you the low bass that the components won't be able to punch out.

BenWall · Jul 11, 2006

thanks. So the 5.25" will fit in my door without any mods?

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 11, 2006

6.5s sound alot better than 5.1/4 IMO the mid-bass is alot better. But if your not willing to make any pods its up to you but its worth it. If you buy 5.1/4 jobbies you will have to cross your sub over alot higher than if you had bigger fronts because the bigger fronts can play lower, you would have to cross-over them over at about 80hz-100hz instead of 60hz, thats where i like mine anyway

Djw John · Jul 11, 2006

btw your hu wont be 50w rms, closer to 25w rms I would bet, just so you know

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 11, 2006

EvilJohn said:
btw your hu wont be 50w rms, closer to 25w rms I would bet, just so you know

Thats what i told him earlier in thread

XXXChromeClioXXX said:
The H/U will put no where near that out something more like 17rms if your lucky.

If i were you i would get rid of the rears and 6x9s and just put the money towards some good fronts with alot of power. And put some sound deadening in the front doors

The Bear · Jul 11, 2006

XXXChromeClioXXX said:
6.5s sound alot better than 5.1/4 IMO the mid-bass is alot better. But if your not willing to make any pods its up to you but its worth it. If you buy 5.1/4 jobbies you will have to cross your sub over alot higher than if you had bigger fronts because the bigger fronts can play lower, you would have to cross-over them over at about 80hz-100hz instead of 60hz, thats where i like mine anyway

That's your preference though. No need to take the mids all the way down to 60Hz, that's what the sub is for!

I have the bass level on my 5.25"'s set at 80Hz through the HU and it's plenty low enough IMO.

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 11, 2006

Have you heard mids play real low? ive had my mids playing 40hz and it sounds uber cool.

I prefer my mids to play low, and my subs to play even lower

BenWall · Jul 11, 2006

lol u guys are so ahead of me in the car audio department.

ChomeClio are you going to any meets, i wud love to hear what ur system sounds like. How much money u spent on it?

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 11, 2006

I'm not sure about meets where is the next one, im in rotherham.

I have spent about £3000 at least on it

BenWall · Jul 11, 2006

jesus 3k lol

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 11, 2006

ive spent bloody 700 on 2 batterys. Its addictive what can i say

This is the battery behind the passenger seat

BenWall · Jul 11, 2006

muz · Jul 12, 2006

XXXChromeClioXXX said:
ive spent bloody 700 on 2 batterys. Its addictive what can i say

This is the battery behind the passenger seat

well hello its nice to see a familar car on CS.

Must say your pods do look better than mine !

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 12, 2006

Are you the same Muz on TA? Did you make your pods your self? There not that hard that was my first attempt

White16valver · Jul 12, 2006

ChromeClio, can I hijack this thread and ask a question about a BD2?

(too late, I just have

lol)

Running it at 4ohm, could I get away with not running 0awg from the battery? I'm guessing that at 1ohm you'd need 0wg...

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 12, 2006

I use to have one of them running my XXX. Not bad amps

IIRC it produces 1200rms at 4ohm right? You might be pushing it a bit with 4awg which i pressume you are running???

The limit of 4awg is about 1000rms on the length of a car TBH fella

The Bear · Jul 12, 2006

£700 on 2 batteries is mental mate!

That 0awg is mahooosive too!!

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 12, 2006

I run 0awg from battery to battery and then 2 runs of 2awg to my celestra's and 2 runs of 4aeg to my PHD amps lots of cable

White16valver · Jul 12, 2006

XXXChromeClioXXX said:
I use to have one of them running my XXX. Not bad amps

IIRC it produces 1200rms at 4ohm right? You might be pushing it a bit with 4awg which i pressume you are running???

The limit of 4awg is about 1000rms on the length of a car TBH fella

I'm not running anything to it at the moment - it's sitting in the bedroom... LoL

I don't normally run stuff at top whack though so I might stick with 4awg - I don't think it's possible to get 0awg through the bulkhead of a mk1 without problems... :S

Also, I don't think, even with 4awg, that it's possible to get an earth back to the battery. Is it ok to stick with just an earth in the boot?

XXXChromeClioXXX · Jul 12, 2006

Yes that fine to earth in the boot it will probally be better than the battery earth if you make it a good conection.

I used a seat bolt, sanded and filed away all the paint work to make sure i got a good conection.

IMO i would run 0awg with a BD2. You will get voltage drop with 4awg and that might make the amp clip.

Run 0awg to be safe, after all what the point in having a powerfull amp is your goona starve it of power

Drill a hole in the bulk head and and stick a grommet in there it will be fine

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