Is traction control actually needed?

[Has]

ABS, TC and every other bloody drivers aid has contributed to the utter dogs**t standard of driving on the roads, because everyone thinks they're invincible. If you dont know how to vary the throttle, and cadence brake then then for your own sake, get on a hazard avoidance and skid control course. There's a few about run by police safe driving partnerships

Cudnt have summed that up better myself!

 

[Dblock]

dont know why people think tc is all that. I dont know what its like on the clio but on my bros e39 and 350z it just cut the power. It do anything just cut the power. I bet tc in the snow is more dangerous then with out.

 

[RexinaTrophy]

TC on the 182 is bloody intrusive.

Agreed, and dangerous!

 

[Rossy197]

I agree that its a pain but to be fair if it wasnt for TC i feel that a lot of inexperienced drivers would of had there car smashed up by now,

At the end of the day its a safety device and i bet it has saved people on here more than once.

 

[Mike_182]

At the end of the day its a safety device and i bet it has saved people on here more than once.

Can't you read, it says up if you're a 'real' driver you don't need it.

BS IMO, I'd rather it was there to catch me if I fell. If you were a world class tightrope walker, and were crossing the grand canyon, I'm guessing you'd still like the net underneath you just in case? It's not always a case of running out of talent, sometimes things do happen that are outside of our control - that's why it's there.

 

[Poopensharten]

The C2 GT is a bit of a ***** car for a 'sports hatch', it even flashes its hazard warning lights if you brake hard lol, i know its to warn other people that your braking hard but it doesn't really do much for the sports hatch look.

What do you drive anyway mate?

 

[Mells]

Get one with. You'll stuggle to find one specifically without. Plus you can always switch it off.

Unless you plan on driving it into the ground it might put some people off come selling.

 

[tyranical]

What do you drive anyway mate?

At the moment, a Yaris T sport, my bro has a C2 GT thats how i know bout the flashy lights lol.

Been in the market for a 172 for a few months now just not found the right 1 yet.

 

[Poopensharten]

At the moment, a Yaris T sport, my bro has a C2 GT thats how i know bout the flashy lights lol.

Been in the market for a 172 for a few months now just not found the right 1 yet.

Cool, was just wondering as its only really people that have owned/driven the GT to extent to know that about them. It was a little bit of a pain in the arse when it did happen but you really had to stand on the brake pedal to make it do it...!

Had a tussle with a Yaris T or two when i had mine, very finley matched as far as performance goes.

What 172 you looking for?

 

[Mr Burns]

Can't say as I've ever noticed my TC working, in the dry anyway!

Even on trackdays! lol

 

[tyranical]

Cool, was just wondering as its only really people that have owned/driven the GT to extent to know that about them. It was a little bit of a pain in the arse when it did happen but you really had to stand on the brake pedal to make it do it...!

Had a tussle with a Yaris T or two when i had mine, very finley matched as far as performance goes.

What 172 you looking for?

Yeh i know you have to brake hard it just makes me laugh when im with my bro and his does it because its not really a sporty feature.

Yeh they are very evenly matched cars, I love my yaris because people think yaris = grandad car but is actually a nippy little motor and faster than your average boy racer in his VTR which is what i was after .

I'm after a late 172 with all the trimmings if possible, i would call it a FF172 but we all know thats not politically correct.

 

[Poopensharten]

Fair play mate.

What's the budget? Where are you based?

 

[pugs9000]

Never noticed the system on my cup and surely that's the point. Just there, below the surface keeping a guiding eye on all that happens. Realistically, if you always notice it then either you are driving too fast for the road conditions or the system is taking the nanny state too far. Don't mean to sound up tight but a road which i travel on a lot a driver was killed because some muppet was going too fast and to control his car needed to use the other side of the road, which meant the innocent coming the opposite way stood no chance.

 

[tyranical]

Fair play mate.

What's the budget? Where are you based?

Based in Chester, my absolute maximum budget is 5k but i wouldn't really want to pay that much for a 172 unless it was an absolute minter.

 

[Poopensharten]

To me this is well priced >

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/842182.htm

 

[tyranical]

To me this is well priced >

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/842182.htm

Missing the Cruise control/Steering wheel buttons!

I'm extremely picky :rasp:, thats why i've been looking since before christmas and only been to view 1 as none other matched what i was after.

 

[Munson]

Mine came back on when I got to 20mph or thereabouts. 2005 182...

In my 182, it definitely stays off once the button is pressed. At Rockingham yesterday I had it switched off on every session, mainly because it was being a cnut, and trying to tell me how to drive. Snatching, cutting power mid corner. Off - it stayed off. I was faster. Done.

It's a good feature I guess, but it aint no launch control.

 

[ChrisPearson]

When was tc introduced on the 172 or was it just an option?

 

[Tom]

2002, never an option

 

[ChrisPearson]

Where's the button?how can I tell?

 

[182 sport]

traction control isnt needed, but on the 172/182 the button isnt just the t/c control, its the ESP aswell. Over the 3 years I had my clio, I very rarely turned it off,there were 2 occasions that If it wasnt for the ESP I would of crashed.When ESP kicks in in my experience, its usually when the car starts sliding sideway and you can actually feel it take control and stop the slide.So t/c and ESP definately.

 

[Scadden182]

its only stopped wheelspin for me which imo, im grateful for, cos those exaltos arent cheap lol

 

[realnumber 1]

traction control isnt needed, but on the 172/182 the button isnt just the t/c control, its the ESP aswell. Over the 3 years I had my clio, I very rarely turned it off,there were 2 occasions that If it wasnt for the ESP I would of crashed.When ESP kicks in in my experience, its usually when the car starts sliding sideway and you can actually feel it take control and stop the slide.So t/c and ESP definately.

Your forgetting that 1/2 CS are pro racing drivers though
I think a few people are mistaking TC for ESP on this thread. I leave mine on and I can't say it ever comes on much. You would have to drive like a bit of a dick for it to be coming on all the time on the roads.

 

[Martin_172]

i find it usefull for hard launches for limiting wheelspin, on a hard launch it doesnt seem to cut power in any way that slows you down just enough to get the power down.

rarely switch it off on the road to be honest unless im properly driving hard!

 

[Tucker]

errrr how can I switch mine on or off?

only seen it when pushing it in the wet a couple times, can do burnouts without it coming on?

 

[Blarno]

Never had traction control, never needed it, even when I had my Skip Brown 205 GTi. I'm not an heroic driver, I just now how to control my right foot.

 

[MarkCup]

In my 182, it definitely stays off once the button is pressed. At Rockingham yesterday I had it switched off on every session, mainly because it was being a cnut, and trying to tell me how to drive. Snatching, cutting power mid corner. Off - it stayed off. I was faster. Done.

It's a good feature I guess, but it aint no launch control.

Ditto.

Took a 182 around Brands on a Renault UK day, and it just kept grabbing randomly at different wheels f***ing up my exit/balance. Pain in the arse. Instructor wouldn't let me swith off either, grrrrrr.

 

[rob-legend]

no

 

[scott1205]

i think it would be nice when u only driving normal esp in the the wet

 

[MistaT]

It's not a great system on the 182, but then it's not intrusive, even clarkson mentioned in his review of the trophy how it didn't kick in once in a week of him driving the car.

The ESP allows a fair bit of arse out before it kicks in, and in the wet you definitely have to dial in opposite lock still if you hit a bump on a sharp corner and the back end decides to break loose.

The traction control light has never come on in the dry in my car, and in the wet it's so slow to react that you've probably just wheelspan 5m out of a junction before it kicks in, which is annoying because traction in the wet isn't great in these cars, so it's quite easy to accidentally do that coming out of a junction. When it eventually kicks in it cuts the power too sharply and that causes problems!

The 197 system is far more sensitive. I set it off twice in the karusell, damn thing slammed all 4 brakes on mid corner And the light would flash at any more than a smidge of rear wheel slip. I turned it off after a few laps.

 

[Fred@BTM]

lift the rear wheel and it DOES try to kill you