Midland RR Day Results. By Daz!

[BRUN]

thats funny about the limiter, and i reckon the difference is down to the different RRs, got any plans to test it at BB ?......be very interesting

 

[Bryan]

yeah aiming to get back to BB hopefully have a new manifold by then, maybe even a re-map

 

[Steveold]

They dont do a remap for 1.2 16v yet..... How much bhp can you get with a manifold on a 1.2 then?

 

[Bryan]

tom has informed me that you can expect around 8hp from the manifold

if they dont do a re-map yet, then theyre gonna need a donor car (re-map at a discount sounds good to me)

 

[BRUN]

well make sure u let us all know mate what the rollers at BB say, no doubt you will get an increase from your mods, it just wont be 15bhp !

 

[Steveold]

sorry I got there first hehehe

 

[RobFenn]

They got 8bhp on the valver with the manifold, i doubt the gains will be as big for a 1.2 but who knows. A plus is that it gives torque as well as power, whereas some aftermarket exhausts give better top end power and worse torque.

I would love to compete with the 1.2 boys but ill resist!



-Rob

 

[Bryan]

torque is one thing my car is lacking

well it will be nice to see what gain the filter + exhaust officially give

79lbs/ft is p**s poor, lowest in the club i think

 

[Tom]

at least my torque is good

anyone know what freds was?

 

[Bryan]

not sure, they didnt actually give you the torque figures, it was plotted on a graph, but you had to work it out yourself

 

[RobFenn]

what was ur torque figure then Tom?

 

[Tom]

82lbs/ft @3210rpm

 

[Roamer]

Quote: Originally posted by JJ172 on 17 February 2003


Roamer - we all know RRs can give wildly differeing readouts and youre always at the mercy of the operator! Certainly from other BBs (e.g. ScoobyNet) its a well-known fact that PEs RR outputs are on the optimistic side.

Hehe, optimistic, well, they dont seem to be imho compared to Wilcox, blimey, PE on friday gave me a 135atw with 27% transmission loss (quite a reasonable loss for fwd I think) giving an estimated 184atfw, if I calculate the same tranny loss on the figures from Wilcox it would give me an estimated 210atfw LoL

Maybe the few motorway runs I did on the way back from PE really did the car some good and I gained 19bhp atw

 

[Bryan]

they certainly were very generous rollers

need proof - look at my results

 

[Ben j]

i had the same results as last time i was RR ded at a different place. so seems right to me

 

[Fred@BTM]

I got 80lb/ft @ 3500rpm

72.2bhp @ 5500rpm AT THE WHEES

ME & BAMBAM HAVE THE UKS MOST POWERFUL 1.2S!!!!!

 

[Bryan]

damn, youve beat me by 1lb/ft

over a 1/4 mile that must be about 0.2 secs

 

[Daz]

Good job my 1.2 8v didnt run.. youd have been quaking!

Daz.

 

[Steveold]

lol Fred m8.... i hope mine comes up with the same power lol

 

[Fred@BTM]

Bam yours definatley felt tighter to drive, although they both seemed the same pokewise, is it just me, or was mine a tiny bit louder than yours?????

 

[PaulRobo]

i had 135lb/ft torque, what do the valvers get?

 

[Bryan]

yeah fred yours did seem louder to me, but one problem was the looseness of your gear change

 

[Ben H]

I got a measly 104 lb/ft of torque at the wheels, which was lower than some of the other Valvers with less mods than mine. I still made the most power at the wheels of the 16vs, but I reckon that Im down on what it should be, especially given that my Valver has head and cam work (none of the other 16vs on the day had head/cam work). Might be to do with the spark plug incident a while ago and I had my exhaust re-mounted today as that was blowing too.

I dont have a scanner, so cant put in my graphs, but the difference over other Valvers was that the power took off more after 5000rpm and the torque didnt tail off at 5000rpm - it stayed at its peak right until 7000rpm.

http://cliosport16v.net/images/rr/rr2.jpg

 

[Ben j]

112 lbs of torque

 

[Matbrown]

About 131 lbs/ft



Mat.

 

[16V_Matt]

Hey ben what the hell happened to u on the way back!

Matt

 

[vibrio]

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 17 February 2003


I got 80lb/ft @ 3500rpm

72.2bhp @ 5500rpm AT THE WHEES

ME & BAMBAM HAVE THE UKS MOST POWERFUL 1.2S!!!!!







My 1.2 punto sporting has 76hp @ the wheels or did have untill I removed the UNICHIP

 

[vibrio]

those results look as if they have been done in 3rd gear. a VTS getting 126hp at wheels. not if the run was done in 4th no chance

 

[Fred@BTM]

Yes your Punto may have 76bhp @ wheels, but my car is a CLIO, Ill rephrase myself

The most powerful 1.2 CLIO in the UK!!!!!!

This better????

 

[Ben H]

The results were from 4th gear AFAIK.

And Matt: I didnt take the turning I was meant to! I eventually got onto the M5 but guess you must have put the pedal to the Wilton as I was giving it the Full George and didnt catch up!

 

[vibrio]

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 19 February 2003


Yes your Punto may have 76bhp @ wheels, but my car is a CLIO, Ill rephrase myself

The most powerful 1.2 CLIO in the UK!!!!!!

This better????







yes

 

[16V_Matt]

was driving slowly at about 60 but i did beifly do a toilet stop on the m42.

yea i was like yep ur behind ill indicate and turn off then it was like huh whered he go! opps

Matt