No wonder sports are quick...

[cupking]

with 168 to171bhp per ton!! I dont think there is anything in its class that can match that apart from a Pulsar GTiR. Not suprising how many things we catch out on the roads really is it? People are amazed when you tell them its a 2.0 litre engine in a small car. VA VA VOOM!!!

 

[106GTi97]

your comparing a 220bhp 4WD car with a 170bhp FWD car ... umm..

 

[blink172]

Quote: Originally posted by 106GTi97 on 24 June 2004

your comparing a 220bhp 4WD car with a 170bhp FWD car ... umm..

Bhp per ton he is

 

[y0z2a]

its a statement, not an argument...

/y0z

 

[cupking]

Thats why I never went for a 106GTI. Hardly a Hot Hatch more like luke warm lol

 

[Lee]

When people look at mine they usually say "Nice, (looks at door badge) 2.0 litre engine in a Clio, Christ I bet that goes some".

Yes thank you, its not too slow.

 

[cliosportcraig]

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004

Thats why I never went for a 106GTI. Hardly a Hot Hatch more like luke warm lol

dont get too smug, ive seen a 106 GTi keep with a cup all the way to 100, admitedly it was modded but only the same as the cup ( exhaust, IK etc )

 

[cupking]

MMMM craig. Not doubting you bud, but still very unlikely IMO

 

[cliosportcraig]

Yer, under good conditions the cup will win everytime, but its not just down to raw power, its the launch, drivers skill etc. It really did happen, must be a quick 106 GTI coz i can usually see them off in my 16v. But theres always freaks, look at craggys saxo

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



with 168 to171bhp per ton!! I dont think there is anything in its class that can match that

CTR

 

[106GTi97]

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004

Thats why I never went for a 106GTI. Hardly a Hot Hatch more like luke warm lol

120/130bhp in a 950kg car cmon how can you say luke warm!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



Thats why I never went for a 106GTI. Hardly a Hot Hatch more like luke warm lol

But still almost as quick as a Cup round a track...

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Had one and loved it!

 

[Valver'o'Death]

Yeah but 172s dont have 172bhp per tonne do they? I thought its 172bhp at the the fly!?

They surely weigh more than a tonne!

 

[cupking]

166 bhp per ton for a type r Rich-D I know its only 2-4bhp but still!! Quick cars though ive had a go with a type r before, but 2.5 secs slower than the 182 on top gear round the track

 

[KDF]

Yep, wouldnt underestimate the little 106 Gtis.. I got beaten by one at crail.. it was very modified though and suprising a lot of bigger cars aswell.

 

[Lee]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



with 168 to171bhp per ton!! I dont think there is anything in its class that can match that

CTR

CTR is now a Supermini?

 

[106GTi97]

why did you get rid of the 106? Ive got 2 at the moment... ones 140bhp and ones 151bhp, cant get enuff of them

 

[jon_r]

Quote: Originally posted by Lee M on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



with 168 to171bhp per ton!! I dont think there is anything in its class that can match that

CTR

CTR is now a Supermini?



Rich, the CTR is in the class above the Clio.

 

[Gareth]

my best mate has a 106 gti, when i first got my 172 his wasnt modded at all performance wise, except a non-std backbox, and i could leave him for dust, he has since fitted, new manifold, decat, full system, viper ik and it can almost just about keep up with me, (although we havent tested properly)

 

[cupking]

Fair point guys!

 

[Ally]

I wouldnt sl*g the 106 GTI - bloody fast and not much in it between one of them a RS Clio.

Never owned one due to not being able to get comfortable in it! Think Im too tall - 62 - but am very comfortable in my Clio now.

 

[KDF]

Its worth remembering though that the 106 GTi is very basic.. the build of the little pugs isnt very good (and thats comming from a clio owner lol) the reason they are so light is cause there aint exactly much too them.

Cracking cars though, I looked at a few of them before deciding on the clio.

 

[106GTi97]

Quote: Originally posted by Gaz2130 on 24 June 2004

my best mate has a 106 gti, when i first got my 172 his wasnt modded at all performance wise, except a non-std backbox, and i could leave him for dust, he has since fitted, new manifold, decat, full system, viper ik and it can almost just about keep up with me, (although we havent tested properly)

Ive got a 130bhp TU engined 106... with s/s decat, scorpion gpA, manifold 4-2-1 daztek system mapped out... running 150bhp partially stripped weighing around 930kg... I dont have too many problems with 172s, although it is close

 

[Lee]

I would have had a 106GTi only I struggled with the close pedals. Ended up with a Rover 200 Vi instead. This was back when the 106 GTi had just come out.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by ValveroDeath on 24 June 2004


Yeah but 172s dont have 172bhp per tonne do they? I thought its 172bhp at the the fly!?

They surely weigh more than a tonne!

The 172 & Cup are 170bhp (172ps) and the 182s are 179bhp (182ps).

Weight wise >>>

mk1 172 - 1035kg (164bhp/tonne)
mk2 172 - 1110kg (153bhp/tonne)
Cup - 1021kg (166bhp/tonne)
182 - 1080kg (166bhp/tonne)

 

[106GTi97]

lucky im only 5ft 8 and size 7 feet then !

 

[Tom]

No the 172and cup are 172bhp and the 182 is 182bhp

(Din.)

182 is 1090kg

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



166 bhp per ton for a type r Rich-D I know its only 2-4bhp but still!!

197bhp / 1204kg = 164bhp/tonne

So only 2 less than a Cup or 182, but I have more than 197bhp...

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



Quick cars though ive had a go with a type r before, but 2.5 secs slower than the 182 on top gear round the track

LOL

The Top Gear times are hardly comparative, try other tests and see...

I had a Cup before the Civic, loved it, know exactly how quick they are!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Lee M on 24 June 2004



CTR is now a Supermini?

Neither is a Pulsar GTi-R but that was named above!

However, the 172/182 and CTR are after the same slice of the market...

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by 106GTi97 on 24 June 2004



why did you get rid of the 106? Ive got 2 at the moment... ones 140bhp and ones 151bhp, cant get enuff of them

At the time, I sold it to buy a house...

Getting the Mrs one as her next car though!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 24 June 2004

Rich, the CTR is in the class above the Clio.

You said it...



Size wise yes, but they sell to the same people, so 172/182, CTR, Cooper-S, etc.. are all aiming at the same sector.

 

[blink172]

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Lee M on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by cupking on 24 June 2004



with 168 to171bhp per ton!! I dont think there is anything in its class that can match that

CTR

CTR is now a Supermini?




Rich, the CTR is in the class above the Clio.

Didnt think we were talking vans, surely the Renault equivalent would be the traffic

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 24 June 2004


No the 172and cup are 172bhp and the 182 is 182bhp

(Din.)

182 is 1090kg

Yes, but in the UK we dont use bhp (Din) do we...

When people say "100bhp" they want 100bhp, not 100ps or 100bhp (Din)

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 24 June 2004


Didnt think we were talking vans, surely the Renault equivalent would be the traffic

Comedy genius...

 

[blink172]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 24 June 2004

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 24 June 2004


Didnt think we were talking vans, surely the Renault equivalent would be the traffic

Comedy genius...

Forgot to add the wink, hope i didnt offend rich!

 

[Tom]

Just playin.

Actually we are starting to use bhp din alot now.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 24 June 2004


Forgot to add the wink, hope i didnt offend rich!

He he... takes more than that!



(look at my avatar)

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 24 June 2004


Just playin.

Actually we are starting to use bhp din alot now.

Aye, only becuase the car manufacturers are now quoting this...

Makes fook all difference anyway, as 170 vs 172 is not noticable!



p.s mine had 200bhp as standard than!

 

[blink172]

Making sure i wasnt starting up another renault vs honda battle, so lame

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 24 June 2004


Making sure i wasnt starting up another renault vs honda battle, so lame

Nah, I am impartial...

Had the Cup, got a CTR, but also got an R5 Turbo (had 2 of them) and a 1.4 Clio parked on the drive, so unlikely to be anti-Renault!