Sounds like Honda talk.
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PC / Laptop Geeks Assemble - help for an idiot / me please!
- Thread starter Cub.
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Sounds like Honda talk.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, it might not be obvious to someone shopping for their first gaming pc…
…a laptop RTX 3090 is absolutely not the same as a desktop RTX 3090 for example. Same name but bear little technical or performance resemblance.
Would be like if they took 2 cylinders and 100bhp off of the S6 Avant compared to the S6 saloon…
…a laptop RTX 3090 is absolutely not the same as a desktop RTX 3090 for example. Same name but bear little technical or performance resemblance.
Would be like if they took 2 cylinders and 100bhp off of the S6 Avant compared to the S6 saloon…
Yes and no. A Max Q is massively downgraded, and in many cases even a full card is highly power limited, but for £2500 you could definitely get a decently cooled/powered desktop card in a laptop.
Krarl
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We're all f**king nerds tbh mate
Forget the max Q, I’m talking about the “regular” mobile versions.
RTX 3080 mobile compared to the desktop part: 30% less cores, 30% less TMUs, 20% narrower memory bus, GDDR6 not GDDR6X, no doubt much lower clocks, 65% lower TDP.
What am I missing?
Can a laptop offer decent performance, sure. But I think it’s very underhanded of nVidia to let people who are new to all this think that they are getting the same thing by using the same names.
I can certainly agree that by the time we’re talking £2500, whether you’re happy looking at a tiny screen or straining your neck looking downwards is a more important consideration than whether 30% of a high end GPU has been chopped off.
Flob
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Bit lost, not sure if your looking for a desktop or laptop now but....
I've been really happy with the last two Alienware computers I've had. Their laptops are a bit chunky but the Dell warranty is brilliant, guy at work had the motherboard changed on a 3 year old Alienware laptop, they came to his house and without quibble just sorted it.
I have this for CAD and its just ridiculous:
www.dell.com
By ridiculous I mean that a render which took 25mins on my Xeon workstation laptop (£3.5k 3 years back) takes just over 2mins - the difference in speed for simulations and renders is just bonkers.
The form factor is nice, bit big, quiet - good. They have cheaper versions which for gaming and normal duty look more than good enough.
The laptops are nice too.
www.dell.com
When I looked at building one with a similar spec I couldn't beat the price by enough to justify it and the warranty etc made the decision. We have swapped quite a few CAD machines over from traditional workstations to Alienware and have had zero issues.
Spec wise - for gaming, all I can say is don't get bogged down in the ultimate spec wars, who actually gives a f**k if you get 100fps or 50fps - I doubt you will. If your playing online your broadband will have a far greater impact, great deals to be had by buying the best of the last gen stuff rather than mid range current.
I've been really happy with the last two Alienware computers I've had. Their laptops are a bit chunky but the Dell warranty is brilliant, guy at work had the motherboard changed on a 3 year old Alienware laptop, they came to his house and without quibble just sorted it.
I have this for CAD and its just ridiculous:
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By ridiculous I mean that a render which took 25mins on my Xeon workstation laptop (£3.5k 3 years back) takes just over 2mins - the difference in speed for simulations and renders is just bonkers.
The form factor is nice, bit big, quiet - good. They have cheaper versions which for gaming and normal duty look more than good enough.
The laptops are nice too.
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When I looked at building one with a similar spec I couldn't beat the price by enough to justify it and the warranty etc made the decision. We have swapped quite a few CAD machines over from traditional workstations to Alienware and have had zero issues.
Spec wise - for gaming, all I can say is don't get bogged down in the ultimate spec wars, who actually gives a f**k if you get 100fps or 50fps - I doubt you will. If your playing online your broadband will have a far greater impact, great deals to be had by buying the best of the last gen stuff rather than mid range current.
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Krarl
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If you're gonna get anything pre-built please fr the love of all holy do NOT buy an Alienware/HP/Acer/Dell
They're all awful for the pricetag
They're all awful for the pricetag
Should you need to fix or replace anything Dell/Alienware desktops are the computing equivalent of a car being held together with 15.5mm nuts/bolts, having 16.5” wheels and having a triangular oil filter.
OK that’s a bit exaggerated, but they love using non standardised connectors or non standard sizes of component to save 50p here and there which can make upgrading a little annoying.
I can only imagine how bored you would get spending 2 nights a week in a hotel, particularly in winter or if it’s visiting the same customer.
OK that’s a bit exaggerated, but they love using non standardised connectors or non standard sizes of component to save 50p here and there which can make upgrading a little annoying.
I can only imagine how bored you would get spending 2 nights a week in a hotel, particularly in winter or if it’s visiting the same customer.
Flob
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Don't know what people have against Alienware. We run quite a few machines now and although they might cost a little more than others for the same spec they are rock solid, thermal design is a ton better than any other prebuilt machine and the warranty is great.
I'm running a Ryzen 9 doing simulations at 4.0ghz across 16 cores at 75deg which is impressive. I can't find another machine with the same spec for much less either so the price cant be that bad?
As a company we switched over to Dell about 5 years back and run near 100 desktops/laptops and various servers and have only had a couple of failures in that time which were sorted onsite by dell.
I'm running a Ryzen 9 doing simulations at 4.0ghz across 16 cores at 75deg which is impressive. I can't find another machine with the same spec for much less either so the price cant be that bad?
As a company we switched over to Dell about 5 years back and run near 100 desktops/laptops and various servers and have only had a couple of failures in that time which were sorted onsite by dell.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Alienware is overpriced s**t. Their cases have 1 90mm fan, their cable management is diabolical, the PSU's are not modular nor are they standard and are always something tiny like 500w. The case layout is garbage for any upgrades and they stick bloatware on the OS. Oh and its just a Dell machine anyway with a proprietary motherboard/case design so good luck fitting a new motherboard. I could have hit my brother when I told him not to buy one
I'd much rather have a prebuilt machine from Scan or CCL where its actually been put together by someone that knows what an actual gaming PC should resemble
My own PC (Ryzen 7 3700x/5600XT clocked to f**k) runs at 65⁰C at MOST when I'm absolutely kicking its head in. f**k knows how anyone would want a machine that sits at 90⁰C all the time
I'd much rather have a prebuilt machine from Scan or CCL where its actually been put together by someone that knows what an actual gaming PC should resemble
My own PC (Ryzen 7 3700x/5600XT clocked to f**k) runs at 65⁰C at MOST when I'm absolutely kicking its head in. f**k knows how anyone would want a machine that sits at 90⁰C all the time
Flob
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All of ours are watercooled, mine has a 1000w PSU and 3 f**k off big fans. Do agree they aren't made for upgrading but honestly at 33 I just want stuff that works and not dick about upgrading stuff.
Also, your mother has a penis.
Flob
ClioSport Club Member
Also. I do not work for dell. Plus I have a gaming PC with no games on it. f**king weirdo.
donnylad
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I’ve got a Ryzen 9 12 core and play a game from 1999. You can literally play it on a toaster ffs. Don’t think I’ve ever upgrade though!
Is there any mileage in a decent gaming laptop but getting rid/upgrading after a year or do they lose too much value?
Or as mentioned the other day get a desktop then throw the old Xbox in for work. You just might start seeing it as a big downgrade though 🙈
Or as mentioned the other day get a desktop then throw the old Xbox in for work. You just might start seeing it as a big downgrade though 🙈
5800x and I use it to play Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and NFSU2 😂
Cub.
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I think I’m pretty set on the desktop PC now to be honest. You got any recommendations on build? If not, Noddie’s or Tom’s recommendation is likely to get ordered.
As you say, if I’m away with work, I’ll just take the Xbox - unless they haven’t got full cross play on Battlefield. Worst case, I just do some more work in the evening which would balance against some time later in the week at home.
Flob
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Are you having this on the TV in the living room or a separate room with monitors? If its in the living room I'd try and find something as close to silent as possible
N0ddie
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Tesla Model 3
N0ddie
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Tesla Model 3
And if you aint gonna get 2, definitely get at least a 1TB one. I built my PC back in the day (end of 2016) when they were very expensive. Its only 256GB so literally has just the OS and a few apps on it. My games, pics, videos etc are all on standard 2.5" SSDs.
At the moment there is no advantage to be gained by having games on super fast NVMEs but in the not too distant future its gonna be a difference maker.
At the moment there is no advantage to be gained by having games on super fast NVMEs but in the not too distant future its gonna be a difference maker.
If you're breaking the budget Tom's second one looks like a TTV virgin's dream. You'd be above 165fps/165hz almost all the time on "competitive" Warzone settings. Looks like you'll have to wait a while for it to be built though.
The other one he posted looks decent considering there's this one on Ebuyer for £100 more with less storage, slower RAM, worse benchmark figures. Guess the other has Nvidia Tax. The 6800Xt seems to run Warzone better than a 3080 here too (slightly better CPU though)...
You could probably just pull that 4th HDD straight out and stick a faster SSD or another M.2 in. Could probably get a mouse and keyboard in budget as well... (don't do that, board the high spec PC + controller aim assist train).
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Noddie's has gone to "Awaiting ETA"
Can't really see much else ("pre-built"-wise) to be honest. Overclockers looks expensive, Alphasync's actual website seems more expensive than Ebuyer.
You could try putting similar specs into the sites that build them up for you and see how the prices compare (Scan/PC Specialist etc.). Could be huge waiting times with them though as they wait for graphics card stock.
You couldn't have chosen a worse time for this really. 😅
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Same CPU/GPU combo shown here.
3XS-110621 | 3XS Halo RTX 3080 Gaming Desktop | ao.com
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Same CPU/GPU combo shown here.
I'd still probably favour the 6800XT one over that tbf.
Anyone know if AMD cards/codecs are still behind Nvidia for capturing gameplay? Might be the only niggle there. Probably still better than the Xbox though I guess?!
Krarl
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We best start drip feeding suggestions for comparison again. 🙃
4 options there under £3200 - 2 AMD, 2 Intel all with a 3090, still a long wait to build them though.
4 options there under £3200 - 2 AMD, 2 Intel all with a 3090, still a long wait to build them though.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
I should be able to order one of those at the end of the week…..as Jaguar are buying the f-pace off me this week.
Which one would you go for?
N0ddie
ClioSport Club Member
Tesla Model 3
Yeah probably that. It's identical to the other AMD one just in a different case so depends which you prefer and if you want colourful fans.
Have you got a network cable into the office?
The Intel ones come with WIFI on the motherboard and double the ram, could easily put a couple more sticks in to the AMD one and still be a bit cheaper.
Think the only thing that looks a little "weak" is the M.2 storage, it'll load you into the pre-game on Warzone before the match starts though.... 😅
Just tried to build as close as I could to the (RGB fan) one with a quicker M.2 on PC Specialist and it the site didn't like the some of the combinations annoyingly (was around £3150).
Just tried to build as close as I could to the (RGB fan) one with a quicker M.2 on PC Specialist and it the site didn't like the some of the combinations annoyingly (was around £3150).
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Big money transfer. Messi level.
