PH1 Air Box

[*Wilson*]

Just something i was thinking about, why did Renault change from the ph1 air box to the ph2 if the ph 1 is better? Or is it that the ph 2 box is better?

 

[Wests Renault]

Ph1 airbox seems to be a better airbox. The ph1 airbox is the same shape and size to the old espace v6 airbox that people upgrade too (whereas the ph1 airbox has 2 small intakes rather than 1 large intake)

 

[*Wilson*]

I agree but why did Renault change the design in the first place rather than keeping the ph1 air box? i can't see the logic behind it other than to possibly save money?

 

[is1]

I'd ask the same question about the gear knob! Metal ball for phase 1 (like all the great cars have), strange wedge shaped soft lump of crap for phase 2.

 

[*Wilson*]

It seems they did a number of things to save money, can't see why they would of done them things for any other reason. And it shows! That's why the ph1 is quicker more money spent on it better car.

 

[jon_r]

Probably money, but maybe for induction noise reasons as well, or even the same design being used in another application already.

 

[ABOO]

They realised that they'd already made the best RS Clio, so threw anything into phase 2's !!

Cat amongst the pigeons right there...

 

[clancy]

They realised that they'd already made the best RS Clio, so threw anything into phase 2's !!

Cat amongst the pigeons right there...

true story

 

[*Wilson*]

Shame, all they had to is leave the car how it was and just change the bonnet bumpers headlights rear lights and front wings. i'm looking at ph1's now.

 

[*Wilson*]

Anyone driven a ph1 and ph2? How do they compare?

 

[Jonny1*2]

Anyone driven a ph1 and ph2? How do they compare?

They don't imo. (que the slatting ). The ph2 feels much more planted. 172 cups are probably the best all rounder to drive.

 

[jon_r]

Ph2's are probably a bit more 'grown up'. Thats the best way i'd describe them.

 

[Jonny1*2]

Ph2's are probably a bit more 'grown up'. Thats the best way i'd describe them.

Much more diplomatic :approve: You're probably right about the noise regs with the airbox change though Jon. In standard form the ph2 is better, but if you're planning on putting coilovers etc on it this evens them up, and the ph1 is lighter, so a better bet as a track car.

 

[Andyman]

If the ph1 airbox is so much better why is their zero difference in real term performance between it and other sport models?

 

[*Wilson*]

The reason their is very little difference is the ph2 was slower than the ph1 on the ph1 gear ratios, so what renault did to make if faster is make the gear ratios shorter to help the new slower revised ph2. Shame really because motorway driving is ball ache, needs a 6th gear tbh.

 

[.Stevo.C.]

The reason their is very little difference is the ph2 was slower than the ph1 on the ph1 gear ratios, so what renault did to make if faster is make the gear ratios shorter to help the new slower revised ph2. Shame really because motorway driving is ball ache, needs a 6th gear tbh.

Ph1's are just as bad on the motorway. :dapprove:

 

[Jonff]

Anyone driven a ph1 and ph2? How do they compare?

Having owned both I feel as I can give an unbiased opinion

Only real advantage the ph-1 has over the ph-2 is the cable throttle. Driveability they're pretty much identical although the ph-2 is the more aesthetically pleasing IMO.

 

[clancy]

although the phase 1 gear nob is much better