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RR results with R-sport ECU



  996 Carrera


Hmmm. Lower than last week :confused:

23 degC
142 bhp at 5800rpm
156 lbft torque

All at the wheels of course.

I queried the lbft units hes used and he said thats right.

So Im 4 bhp and 10lbft of torque down!

Need to see what Chris gets at Powerzone and compare.

On the road its definitely much quicker mid-range though which is where it counts.
 
  20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT


is that 4bhp and 10 lb/ft down from standard ecu mate?

same RR i take it? whats the power band like on the RR results?
 
  996 Carrera


yep, down from standard ECU, same RR.

The RR is only an analogue type i.e. set of rollers, scale with power and mph on the wall so no printout.

And I wasnt the one who read the scale last week - maybe they misread it as the car is definitely faster. It even torque steers more!

They are only measuring max power and torque though which I guess is a lot more difficult to feel a difference in when actually driving, esp. when the R-sport ECU only adds 5% extra.
 
  20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT


they all vary bloody loads...my mate went one one in Rotherham mailto:142@fly">142@fly. Went to John Nobles a week later mailto:127@fly">127@fly
 


Its the same in the biking world guys. A rolling road is only as good as the operator as they can correct values quite a bit.

The only true test is to do a back-to-back on the same machine, with the same operator, on the same day.

Cheers for the info though...
 


i think the only way to get a decent comparison is if the car is RR at the same RR on the same day before and after fitting that way its the same rollers same temp etc so taking out as many things which may contribute to a discrepancy in the results. at the end of the day i guess the only way youll get the real picture is pulling the engine out and dynoing the fecker before and after the ecu change but thats a bit drastic, lol
 
  Nissan R35 GT-R


It really is pointless using a rolling road to see how much power a mod has made.

The only way youll know how much power difference it has actually made is by using an engine dyno and making sure the air and coolant temps are the same. This is not practical though!
 
  996 Carrera


The torque reading is b****cks I think - read my post with the results b4 I fitted the ECU. Torque as standard is 146 lbft, I guess at the fly. If the lbft units are right then my reading at the wheels was 166 lbft b4 the R-sport ECU was fitted. Way too much of a difference.

Obviously if they cant get the units correct then I dont have much confidence in the figures we got out of the RR.

Maybe if I have a spare afternoon Ill take it down another set of rollers and do a proper comparison - same day, same temp, same fuel, diff. ECUs. With printouts.

Hopefully the rest of you will get decent results and Ill put mine down to a bad day!
 


There is a whole load of misunderstanding floating about RE rolling rds.

Firstly, they are accurate, accurate being that they can repeatedly give you a similar figure. Inaccuracy is if you did it once and it gave 100bhp, then second time it gave you 150bhp with no changes.

The nature of a a RR means that it is hard not to be accurate, most measure a known torque input by which BHP is calculated and it cannot be a wrong or false number when calculated from torque. You cannot get an incorrect ATW figure since it is calibrated with KNOWN torque inputs. Now, variations may arise with teh use of different brand RRs, different measuring methods, ambient conditions. THe operator on the actual power run has no real imput as far as mashing the throttle goes. Gear choice also affects ATW outputs.

And in reality, you are not getting ATW figures, your getting the figure INCLUDING the losses from the rollers themselves.

The problems arise with fly figures which should always be taken witha pinch of salt. And the problem is that most people, even if they realise this and preach the fact that RRs fly figures are over calculated, will ALWAYS post and take their higest ever figure even if its from some backyard operator........just props the ego, no harm.

So weather the place you went to calibrated the machine correctly, or purposely decided they wanted it to over read a teeny bit is pot luck.

use a RR, any RR...........just use the same one, as long as you know your not getting duped, true figures dont really matter. So long as teh RR is accurate to difference in any power gain or loss is all that matters. If somebody says they have 150bhp, and you only have 120bhp...........if you beat them in pure acceleration, you can rest assured your horses are bigger. lol
 


Well, I can say that I went to PowerEngineering twice, about 5 months apart, different guys operating but the same RR unit (2wd one) and got the same peak bhp output and torque....... now you cant say that they fiddled it on the second run can ya?

And those two runs were in different ambient conditions, the first was quite a hot day, whilst the second was in jan/feb and wasnt to warm ;)

"Choose a rolling road - Choose Power Engineering" LoL
 


My RR figure at star was 113bhp ATW 163.5bhp ATF. Now I know from reading many threads on this that you allways use the ATW as the most accurate. How does my 113bhp ATW make sense then?

I could understand it if my car was actually underperforming but its the opposite. Someone else on here has had the same thing with the star rolling road. A massivly low figure for ATW and the seemingly close figure for ATF:confused:
 


Mines a 95 Willie 2, with 31k on the clock - but its almost the same speed as my old Fiesta (135bhp ATW / 920kgs on 2 different RRs). There is no way my Williams has 113bhp ATW.



Im going to dig out my RR print out and post it - it makes very strage reading!
 
  Lionel Richie


Quote: Originally posted by chris172 on 07 September 2003


Quote: Originally posted by Roamer on 06 September 2003


"Choose a rolling road - Choose Power Engineering" LoL
ditto Roamer.

Now if you want an accurate figure then sign up here!!!!!!!!

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=45912&PagePosition=1http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=45912&PagePosition=1
Yeah i was witness to both runs!!

And do as Chris says!!!!!
 


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