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Supercharging



  The Jinx


Has anyone ever done this to a 172? I havent got one, but just wondered if it had been done. Ive always wanted to try a supercharged car but never had one yet that would be appropriate for it.
 


Superchargers are pants, i dont know how any car lover could stand the annoying whine of one.

Anyway its been done on the continent, ive seen piccies, but have no idea when it comes to kits over here. Maybe its worth speaking to Garett?

-Rob
 
  Corsa 2.0 16v baby


Superchargers are pants, i dont know how any car lover could stand the annoying whine of one.

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might be something to do with the huge power gains.

sound evil as well :devilish: turbos still better thou!
 
  The Jinx


But when it comes to turbos dont they have more restricted power bands.

I mean, a supercharger comes on song immediately due to it being mechanical, but does it also rev to normal N/A limits?

I also wouldve thought that a supercharger would place less stress on the engine than a turbo, no?
 


Not really, only because its less boost, turbos are more complex but supers tend to wear out trannys faster and generally dont last as long. Turbos only have a bad reputation because so many people crank up the boost and then blame it on the turbos instead of the setup.

Anyway, i doubt the 172 box and other bits could handle much more than say 250bhp?? You could get TBs and get near that..NA is always better.

-Rob
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Surely to fit a turbo (and possibly even a supercharger) the high compression 172 engine would have to be converted to a low compression, or are the internals able to withstand the pressure, temps, etc.

Ive thought about putting a low pressure turbo on my 172, but Im unsure if it would give much benefit
 
  2005 Audi A3 3.2 Quattro


Yep Im currently waiting for Roamer to finish his TB install, and to provide proces etc then Ill see how many banana leaves it will cost on this side of the world
 


Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 11 August 2003


Superchargers are pants, i dont know how any car lover could stand the annoying whine of one.

Anyway its been done on the continent, ive seen piccies, but have no idea when it comes to kits over here. Maybe its worth speaking to Garett?

-Rob


What are you talking about!!!!!

Whine????? They sound amazing!!!!!
 
  320d M Sport


look at all the Supercharged Saxos that GMC have done! Theyre well smart and would give all of us a good run for our money!
 


No Way! Superchargers are def better Why?

NO turbo lag, therefore responds immediately. The supercharger just bolts to the engine With turbocharged cars, you got to let the engine idle for a bit which is a real pain in the arse! no problem with a supercharger!and superchargers are less complex! plus they operate at lower temps and are belt driven.



just my opinion but try both and you will see the difference straight away!
 
  Clio 1.6 16V


Rob,


The Supercharger is continuously driven at full boost speed for the given engine speed. This offers almost immediate boost response
The Supercharger exhibits an airflow delivery characteristic very close to the engine requirement. Thus, boost remains almost constant over the total speed range without wastegating or other compromising control systems
Superchargers can be lubricated by self contained systems which without the extreme heats experienced by Turbochargers will last for periods well in excess of the engine lubricants
Superchargers do not require aftercooling as outlet temperatures rarely get as high as turbos
Having diven cars with either form of boost, the SC delivery is much nicer, giving a pretty fat and flat torque curve .... just what is required for acceleration and mid-range performance. Personally, the "whine" is not really that bad and actually quite nice compared to the woosh/fart/clunk noises you generally get from turbos.
 


Anybody offering a kit for the 16v?? ive been looking down the turbo route but i reckon a supercharger would be a little easier to do, and therefore cheaper.... weird cos came on here to ask this question and this is the first thread i saw....
 


Will the Laguna engine not fit the clios if so there is a pre-made engine built for you.

165hp stock I belive but get the turbo turned up and Im guessing your running over 200hp. Then again a 172 with TB would get 200 Im guessing so is it realy worth it.

EDD
 


Quote: Originally posted by Flying Scotsman on 11 August 2003


Rob,


The Supercharger is continuously driven at full boost speed for the given engine speed. This offers almost immediate boost response
The Supercharger exhibits an airflow delivery characteristic very close to the engine requirement. Thus, boost remains almost constant over the total speed range without wastegating or other compromising control systems
Superchargers can be lubricated by self contained systems which without the extreme heats experienced by Turbochargers will last for periods well in excess of the engine lubricants
Superchargers do not require aftercooling as outlet temperatures rarely get as high as turbos
Having diven cars with either form of boost, the SC delivery is much nicer, giving a pretty fat and flat torque curve .... just what is required for acceleration and mid-range performance. Personally, the "whine" is not really that bad and actually quite nice compared to the woosh/fart/clunk noises you generally get from turbos.







Stock turbos normally give all of their power low down the rev range, but superchargers only produce max near the end of the range, you may get immediate response but not all of it! Please remember nowdays small efficient turbos produce little or no turbo lag so i think the first two points are a little outdated.

As for the last two its simple, as long as you maintain the car properly there wont be problems, only an idiot would get a turbo kit, fit it and then expect that would be all they have to do.

No one can say a turbo is better than a SC, or vice versa, it depends on what people want. I personally would take a turbo ebcause theyre more effiecient, sound nicer and you can get variable power, whereas you cant change an SCs boost.

-Rob
 
  TT 225


I spoke to Rotrex who passed me through to their main supplier GMC about fitting a supercharger to my Williams a couple of months back. They said they had looked into, but never fitted a s/c to a 16v clio, because of the lack of space under the bonnet it made it a very difficult job.

It can be done - but then with the right amount of ££ anything can be done. GMC said they would need £7k! (lol yea right).

TBs might be the way to go just for ease and cash saving!
 
  Corsa 2.0 16v baby


I personally love the kick me in the back lag u get when u come on boost, feckin great it is.

pssssssssssshhhhhh! :D
 
  Clio 1.6 16V


Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 12 August 2003


Stock turbos normally give all of their power low down the rev range, but superchargers only produce max near the end of the range, you may get immediate response but not all of it! Please remember nowdays small efficient turbos produce little or no turbo lag so i think the first two points are a little outdated.

....but run out of steam at the top end due to lack of volmetric throughput. The SC gives more progressive power versus revs.

As for the last two its simple, as long as you maintain the car properly there wont be problems, only an idiot would get a turbo kit, fit it and then expect that would be all they have to do.

... but this is assumed for all higher FI setups is it not? Remember the heatsoak in a turbo is such that the oil can boil in the turbo bearings when you stop the engine. Hence why its recommended to idle for 30 secs before swith off to let the turbo spin down and keep the oil circulating to cool the bearings. Dont have this problem with SC systems hence greater reliability. Only important thing with SC systems is to have good air filtration as the clearance between rotors is only about a thou.

No one can say a turbo is better than a SC, or vice versa, it depends on what people want. I personally would take a turbo ebcause theyre more effiecient, sound nicer and you can get variable power, whereas you cant change an SCs boost.

..... wrong! A SC boost can be varied by altering the size of the drive pulley. Also modern spiral rotor SCs have better volumetric efficiency.
 

KDF

  Audi TT Stronic


But you cant argue if you want massive power gains you got to go Turbo.. SC would be the ideal choice for the 172 but for massive power it has to be turbod.
 


The bloke i work with has a supercharger in his VTR, swears blind by it but to be honest there always seems to be something wrong with the car, i thinkk to much strain on the engine.

he payed 8000 for the car and has spent atleast another 3k maybe even 4k repairing it, he could have got a 172 for that.
 


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