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Tapping Gone - Cutting Out Arrived



  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Excuse the long read, but I can't really summise it any better.

My 35k mile RB182 has been tapping ever since I went over a speed bump several months ago (I still think it dislodged a tappet or did something to create the problem). It split the centre section of the exhaust from the cat in the process. After several semi-successful oil changes and engine treatments, the tapping quietened down but ultimately it always came back. I took it to my local independent and he said he was 95% sure it was the tappets. I took it to Renault who had the car a day and they said it definitely was, and gave me a healthy four-digit quote to replace them. No, no. I left the car in this state for several months (although it was annoying the f*ck out of me) before eventually deciding to bite the bullet and pay for the replacement parts and labour at my local garage (former Renault mechanic) - that was tappets, belts, dephaser pulley and all the necessary ancillaries.

Act I - Chapter II
When the mechanic stripped it down he noticed that the cylinder head was slightly worn, possibly caused by the tappets being left and oil seeping through. He said he could put it all back together with the new tappets etc. but there was always the chance it may not be right, therefore it would be much wiser (and certainly more expensive) getting a new cylinder head and cams at this stage as the car was already in a state to build up from that point, saving me the same labour costs over again. So, 2 weeks later my new cylinder head complete with cams and all the parts arrived from Renault France courtesy of the exchange option offered by KTEC (Renault were quoting £1700 for the head alone whereas the genuine item via KTEC came with all the parts for £850. From Renault! Unbelievable).
So, head on, tappets sorted, belts done, quiet car. While it was in, I also had my spacers fitted as well as an RS192 exhaust system including decat.

Act I - Chapter III
I picked the car up on Friday evening. Idling was a little lumpy but no big problem, as I put it down to the new decat system.
On Saturday I fitted my V6 airbox. Pretty simple, straightforward swap. I started the car up and gave it a few revs. Sounded well enough. Didn't bother taking it out as it was late.

Got up on sunday morning and went out to start car. It started but then cut out immediately. I started it up again and this time no problem, idling away.

This morning I set off for work and got about 2 miles into the journey and approaching a roundabout, I slowed down to turn right and the car just cut out on me. STOP light came on. I came to a halt and then started it up again. The petrol light came on which was a little odd as I seemed to recall there being enough fuel as to not trigger the light prior to it coming on. Anyway, I pulled into the petrol station near to where I work and filled up.

While in work, I had to nip out for an hour so decided I would take the car back to the garage to see what he thought. Killing two birds with one stone, I went home first to uploaded my new calibration map for my RSTuner (just the 98RON map). On parking up at home, on full left lock, the car cut out again just as I was parking up. Still, uploaded the map which was fine, but when I started the car up again it was idling at around 750 and sounding like it was wanting to cut out. I've heard the map reduces the idling speed so that coupled with my pretty lumpy car was obviously combining. The RSTuner also brought up an ABS fault code for the first time but said I needed a module to rectify it. I set off and the SERV light was on as well as the ABS traction light. I slowed and braked which created a crunching sound as if my brakes were f*cked, but then it disappeared and the lights went out :S

Act 1 - Chapter IV
Set off for the garage and now the car was cutting out whenever I came to a halt. Whilst driving the car was fine - and as an aside the new map was certainly evident, much more revvy and very smooth drive. It was just when I came to slow down and the revs dropped below 1k, it struggled keeping it constant and as such it couldn't prevent the car from stalling.

So now it's at the garage. I've read a few threads on likely culprits and TBH there's just too many. Airbox not connected up properly, timing, plugs, leads, injectors, air leaks, IDV, coil pack, TDC sensor, throttle body, lambda sensors, ABS brake sensors. My mate said they'd sort it out and it shouldn't be too much of a problem, but that was without looking at the car. Ultimately, it's a Renault.

Any ideas, guys, or similar problems you've had? I realise it'll be rectified eventually, but I'm still keen to hear of any advice.
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Well, I've got a problem then. It's odd how it's started happening since I fitted the V6 airbox mind.
 
  A45 AMG 406BHP
timing.

I bought my car with a lumpy idle, didnt think anything off it par sensor related! It idle fairly eratic and hunted everynow and then.
Mine idled at literally just under 1k.
when it wasnt idling, the car ran great. VVT engaged fine and felt smooth.

I checked the timing(after few people saying it was it on here) and it was out a good 5 degree(from eye)(dephaser side)

saying that
my old 172 after a gearbox change, ran like crap. kept randomly cutting out(exaclty like yours)- i got the immob reset and it was fine..
 
  Evo 5 RS
Who did your head work/belts? Call BTM.

It's probably just a sensor (possibly crank sensor) that's been disturbed now and playing up. If the crank sensor loses signal it'll cut out
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Who did your head work/belts? Call BTM

Local indie. If there's a problem with that, they can sort it because I'm not paying labour all over again to have it sorted. I've to phone at 4pm today as they're having a look at it now.

I'm having the same dreams as you all of a sudden...mmm fire ;)
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
All the mk2's are getting on now, you just come to expect them to break lol

Yeah but it's only done 35k. Must be an age thing set in by the French. B*stards.

It's a bloody great little car though. Love it, but don't like the bills currently.
 
  Evo 5 RS
Even though it is only a Clio it's definitely a specialist car. Nothing in auto data is right for it and my local bods who I trust with most of my cars don't have a clue about them. I'd never trust them to do the timing let alone head work! That's not to say yours won't be done right, I just wouldn't leave it to chance.
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Even though it is only a Clio it's definitely a specialist car. Nothing in auto data is right for it and my local bods who I trust with most of my cars don't have a clue about them. I'd never trust them to do the timing let alone head work! That's not to say yours won't be done right, I just wouldn't leave it to chance.

The head work was pretty basic, though, surely? The cylinder head and cams setup is hardly rocket science and the tappets are auto-adjustable too. The timing could be the pain, though, yes. Anyway, when I got the car back it was driving and was fine, just a little lumpy. The idling wasn't erratic, it was dropping just below 1k but nothing too concerning at all. It was only when I took the airbox off and put the V6 box back on that things seemed to change for the worst. Like I say, I started it up and it was fine, gave it a few revs, no problem. Left it a day, then came back out, started it up again and it started but then cut out immediately. Fired up again right away though. I wouldn't have had an issue at all with it but when it cut out on my way to work while approaching a junction at about 20mph - 30mph I knew something wasn't right.

Is it possible to adjust the timing without going through hours of labour?
 

Rob

ClioSport Moderator
Timing can be adjusted I believe yes.

I bet the timing is off or it's the crank sensor or similar, although if it were that, it'd have trouble starting.
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Timing can be adjusted I believe yes.

I bet the timing is off or it's the crank sensor or similar, although if it were that, it'd have trouble starting.

Yeah there's no trouble starting. When it cut out on me this morning and the STOP light and battery came on I thought I was f*cked, but it started up again no problem at all.
 

Rob

ClioSport Moderator
Re-fit old airbox and return to original map, if it continues, return to Indie.

If he's any good at all he'll be fine with you and check timing/plug it in see if there's a fault on any of the sensors.

Edit, you haven't knocked the ICV or pinched a pipe or anything whilst fitting the airbox have you?
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Re-fit old airbox and return to original map, if it continues, return to Indie.

If he's any good at all he'll be fine with you and check timing/plug it in see if there's a fault on any of the sensors.

Edit, you haven't knocked the ICV or pinched a pipe or anything whilst fitting the airbox have you?

More than likely :eek:
 
Mine would do the cutting out thing too. Not all the time but it went in phases.

Since Renault did the gasket and plugs/leads it is a lot better.
 

Hixle

Hi Kiss Luke E****
ClioSport Club Member
  E90 M3
Symptoms seem typical of a failing idle control valve IME dude, I'd personally use that as a starting point.
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Cheers Luke. I mentioned that to them too. New leads going on tomorrow. The old ones were a bit shot at. See how those fare.

Its just had £40 worth of plugs.
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
They've changed the leads and tweaked a few things and it's running again.

Picking it up tomorrow :)
 
  UR R26R.5, VW Golf R
Got car back and it's much better now. Still a little lumpy but not cutting out at all and the new RST map seems very good - initial pick up and midrange is great.

One thing which I will be changing are the rear spacers though. With the drop I have along with the 205 tyres and 15mm spacers, the inner arch is catching on the tyre wall over bumps and dips. So I'll be getting some 10mm spacers and these 15mm ones will be going up for sale after only 10 miles or so use! Just a heads up for anyone interested :)
 


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