Thoughts on Fusion

[Renshaw]

whats your thoughts on this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....em=110240625265&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
looking for kit to replace the front and rear speakers in my clio. front componants will be amped to! has anybody had any experiance with fusion ice before.

advice and comments please

thanks
Renshaw

 

[kpowell911]

They are 3 ways, I take it you are intending to build some fibreglass kick builds of some description?

They are going to be far from easy to fit mate!

 

[ozzy19]

fusion speakers are very good and extremly loud but replacing front and rear with these would be a hard job to do, your better of getting some specific built aftermarket speakers to replace the standard speakers in the front rear and the getting a fusion powerplant sub and amp, would give you nice look an massive bass.

 

[guysy]

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...265-31371-31396-38227_parentcategoryrn_82389#

Running these up front, Quite happy with them. Go well with my 6x9s. Chav, but you cant see them behind the grill so who cares. Im happy. And there not bad quality. Probably be better amped.

 

[Dan R]

whats your thoughts on this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....em=110240625265&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
looking for kit to replace the front and rear speakers in my clio. front componants will be amped to! has anybody had any experiance with fusion ice before.

advice and comments please

thanks
Renshaw

Dont get me started. fusion are an appauling manufacturer. Very poor sound quality.

 

[kpowell911]

DAN although you advice, 90% of the time is correct, You have a hell of a chip on your shoulder.

I know you work in audio, and have x amount of audio related degrees, But you need to realise that Appaling to someone who is used to Standard paper cone speakers, And someone who is used to £1000 JBL Ltd Edition 3 ways is totally different.

99% of people would agree that if they spent £100 on some Fusion Flagship (NV Range) 3 ways, Set up correctly they would be mesmerized by the SQ they give. You fit into the 1% of Brand *****s who expect everyone to be able to justify £500+ componants. I can garentee you 99% of people on this planet would be hard pushed to hear the difference between a set of Fusions off the head unit and set of stupidly expensive DLS Componants.

I;m with you, I dont like fusion, But your advice in most threads is just pointless on a forum like this, Head over to talk audio and speak on there.

Alternatviely, recomend some Set ups (which let me guess all happen to be distributed/stocked by your shop) that are in budget for these guys?

Premium car audio has a very limited market. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you, I'd rather a £1000 less spent on the actuall car if it meant I could buy some upgraded ICE, But you need to realise that not everyone wants to or even cares about spendign stupid amounds of cash on ice.

I know you haven;t even commented on price, But I Can garentee your next reply will be "dont buy componants unless they are over £500"/

 

[Renshaw]

They are 3 ways, I take it you are intending to build some fibreglass kick builds of some description?

They are going to be far from easy to fit mate!

yeah spot on there! intend to use the design of the existing speaker grill and door cards to build my own fibreglass pods! got a couple sets of 6'' componants to use jus gotta deside which ones i like then flog the others! i was jus browsing when i saw these fusions and thought "why not?". also got an old (ish) set of blaupunkt velocity 6" comps so gonna have a play and find a set-up i like!!

its a maybe (*gets ready for the laughs):

-the red are the speaker locations i was thinking, the blue was another posible 4" woofer location, and the crossover would go behind the door card.-

not sure jus yet whether to put 2 speakers in each door or use the rear pods to build forward facing speaker builds. may be an issue with room in the back, or adapt the rear speaker to include a tweeter somewhere, or even jus sack the 4" all together! jus gonna mess about with them all lol

also got a load of sound deadening too so gonna have some fun over the next couple weeks!

...anyway, if it all goes tits up then it can go back on the bay lol there'll be someone out there who wants it!!

 

[Renshaw]

Crazy Clio have you got any pics of anything you've built?? i would be really interested to see them!!

 

[Dan R]

DAN although you advice, 90% of the time is correct, You have a hell of a chip on your shoulder.

I know you work in audio, and have x amount of audio related degrees, But you need to realise that Appaling to someone who is used to Standard paper cone speakers, And someone who is used to £1000 JBL Ltd Edition 3 ways is totally different.

99% of people would agree that if they spent £100 on some Fusion Flagship (NV Range) 3 ways, Set up correctly they would be mesmerized by the SQ they give. You fit into the 1% of Brand *****s who expect everyone to be able to justify £500+ componants. I can garentee you 99% of people on this planet would be hard pushed to hear the difference between a set of Fusions off the head unit and set of stupidly expensive DLS Componants.

I;m with you, I dont like fusion, But your advice in most threads is just pointless on a forum like this, Head over to talk audio and speak on there.

Alternatviely, recomend some Set ups (which let me guess all happen to be distributed/stocked by your shop) that are in budget for these guys?

Premium car audio has a very limited market. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you, I'd rather a £1000 less spent on the actuall car if it meant I could buy some upgraded ICE, But you need to realise that not everyone wants to or even cares about spendign stupid amounds of cash on ice.

I know you haven;t even commented on price, But I Can garentee your next reply will be "dont buy componants unless they are over £500"/

mesmerised by them??????? that will never happen. yeah mesmerised by just how s**t they sound!!!! And its JL audio not that rubbish JBL!!!!

 

[BIFCAIDS]

whats your thoughts on this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....em=110240625265&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
looking for kit to replace the front and rear speakers in my clio. front componants will be amped to! has anybody had any experiance with fusion ice before.

advice and comments please

thanks
Renshaw

Dont get me started. fusion are an appauling manufacturer. Very poor sound quality.

was just about to say this there cack, alot of mainstream stuff is tho. You can get speakers that are far better for less than most top makes.

 

[kpowell911]

The average person I as talking about, Not everyone cares/wants to care about the SQ of some Billion Pound Door speakers.

JBL are by far the best budget set up out there. Budget means Sub £60 subwoofers. Obviously we like you are all multi millionaires, So we spend £60 on a fuse.

Not having a dig at you, You are clearly very knowledgeable in your field, And have an audio intelligence that far surpasses mine, But you need to see it from the "real world" prospective.

What shop do you work at/own?

 

[Mark One]

dont rate fusions

 

[kpowell911]

I'm not sure I'd three way like that chop either!

Thres a few pics on my photobucket page, MAinly just 6.5" in baffled sound deadened doors/

 

[Renshaw]

used to have JBL GTO's in my old car, thought they were the nuts but i had nothing else to campare them to as they were my first aftermarket speakers ...ah well.

 

[Renshaw]

jus using a single 6"comp was what i originally wanted to do so still might possibly go down that route. its the easiest and the neatest looking rally!

 

[Renshaw]

I'm not sure I'd three way like that chop either!

Thres a few pics on my photobucket page, MAinly just 6.5" in baffled sound deadened doors/

any pics that we can see??? please???

 

[kpowell911]

I did a guide on here not long ago

 

[kpowell911]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=310984

 

[Renshaw]

how deep where those SPL's??

 

[Dan R]

Dont get me started. fusion are an appauling manufacturer. Very poor sound quality.

was just about to say this there cack, alot of mainstream stuff is tho. You can get speakers that are far better for less than most top makes.

yep i agree. at the cheaper end of the market pioneers or alpine for instance would sound alot better.

 

[Dan R]

The average person I as talking about, Not everyone cares/wants to care about the SQ of some Billion Pound Door speakers.

JBL are by far the best budget set up out there. Budget means Sub £60 subwoofers. Obviously we like you are all multi millionaires, So we spend £60 on a fuse.

Not having a dig at you, You are clearly very knowledgeable in your field, And have an audio intelligence that far surpasses mine, But you need to see it from the "real world" prospective.


What shop do you work at/own?

car hifi centre cheltenham.

 

[Dan R]

I'm not sure I'd three way like that chop either!

Thres a few pics on my photobucket page, MAinly just 6.5" in baffled sound deadened doors/

good al least your sound deadening the doors. the most vital part of the install. without it theres simply no point

 

[Chris_Cliomk1]

"Thoughts on fusion"? Run a mile.

The quality is reflected by the price imo. £99 for the lot that shows they aint too amazing

 

[Jon.L]

if you going down the road of spending alot and using cross overs id choose diamond or alpine type rs any day

 

[kpowell911]

I'm not sure I'd three way like that chop either!

Thres a few pics on my photobucket page, MAinly just 6.5" in baffled sound deadened doors/

good al least your sound deadening the doors. the most vital part of the install. without it theres simply no point

Yup, Totally agree, Always budget for Deadening!

2 Bulkpacks used so far

 

[blue_i]

car hifi centre cheltenham.

Oooh, that's interesting. .. Are you 23 27 or 28 years old ? Elabotate

 

[Chris_Cliomk1]

just a quick question bout sound deadening. what is the reason and point of it??

 

[Dan R]

car hifi centre cheltenham.

Oooh, that's interesting. .. Are you 23 27 or 28 years old ? Elabotate

25 why?? my boss is 42 and has been in the business for 24 years and has been a judge at iasca for many years

 

[Dan R]

just a quick question bout sound deadening. what is the reason and point of it??

take a look on this website. Without it your wasting ur time fitting speakers. FACT!!!


http://www.dynamat.com/faqs_faqs.html

 

[thejoose]

"Thoughts on fusion"? Run a mile.

The quality is reflected by the price imo. £99 for the lot that shows they aint too amazing

Fusion do do budget stuff yes but its good quality,

the ipod HU they do is great VFM, the Fusion NV pack is brilliant and has had some good reviews from people who are serious about their ICE

just because its cheap doesnt mean its bad

just a quick question bout sound deadening. what is the reason and point of it??

Sound deadening is used to stop road noise getting into your car, and to stop the panels in your car vibrating with your music.

Think of it this way, if the panels in your car are vibrating thats energgy being used up that could be going into producing music volume and quality. you install ICE so you can listen to it not to shake your car.

IMO if you are putting speakers in your front doors you need to sound deaden and seal them up.

check out http://talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for lots of info about all sorts of install issues

 

[Dan R]

Fusion do do budget stuff yes but its good quality,

the ipod HU they do is great VFM, the Fusion NV pack is brilliant and has had some good reviews from people who are serious about their ICE

just because its cheap doesnt mean its bad



Really???? From magazines that fusion dont have a ten page spread in. Trust me mate its a marketing company fusion. You know big green stuff, aliens etc etc. They spend all there money on advertising!! Its not a manufacturing company!!!

 

[thejoose]

Fusion do do budget stuff yes but its good quality,

the ipod HU they do is great VFM, the Fusion NV pack is brilliant and has had some good reviews from people who are serious about their ICE

just because its cheap doesnt mean its bad



Really???? From magazines that fusion dont have a ten page spread in. Trust me mate its a marketing company fusion. You know big green stuff, aliens etc etc. They spend all there money on advertising!! Its not a manufacturing company!!!

Goto talkaudio.co.uk and check out the reviews, independant reviews from people who know there stuff.

http://talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=248087&highlight=fusion

alot of people who know about ICE have tested the stuff and are well impressed with it,

Yes Fusion have a unique marketing style, I spent 4 days with the one of there marketing guys at the world db drag finals and their factory db drag team got some good results, not all there stuff is amazing but it its getting better.

Yes its budget equipment but for the price you pay it does great - 141db from that fusion nv bass package is brilliant and it sounds great - to put that into perspective one of my first 'expensive' installs consisted of an RE Audio xxx12 (one of the best regarded subwoofers in the world) and a us amps 1000 (1500wrms) and I only got 138db that set up cost £500. so thats twice as loud for alot less than half the money.

If i had £200 to spend on a bass set up i know what i would go for

 

[Dan R]

Goto talkaudio.co.uk and check out the reviews, independant reviews from people who know there stuff.

http://talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=248087&highlight=fusion

alot of people who know about ICE have tested the stuff and are well impressed with it,

Yes Fusion have a unique marketing style, I spent 4 days with the one of there marketing guys at the world db drag finals and their factory db drag team got some good results, not all there stuff is amazing but it its getting better.

Yes its budget equipment but for the price you pay it does great - 141db from that fusion nv bass package is brilliant and it sounds great - to put that into perspective one of my first 'expensive' installs consisted of an RE Audio xxx12 (one of the best regarded subwoofers in the world) and a us amps 1000 (1500wrms) and I only got 138db that set up cost £500. so thats twice as loud for alot less than half the money.

If i had £200 to spend on a bass set up i know what i would go for

The best subwoofer in the world mate is a JL W7 SUBWOOFER. regarded as the best sounding sub you can buy!!!! DB drag and all that has got nothing to do with hifi and music. Its simply a scientific experiment to see how loud something is. It will sound absolutely dire listening to real music and not test tones that they use. Mate your talking to one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country. Dont believe me!!?!?! call BBG, or JL direct, or even four( distributors of audison, genesis up until recently, hertz etc etc. They will tell you!!!

 

[Dan R]

Goto talkaudio.co.uk and check out the reviews, independant reviews from people who know there stuff.

http://talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=248087&highlight=fusion

alot of people who know about ICE have tested the stuff and are well impressed with it,

Yes Fusion have a unique marketing style, I spent 4 days with the one of there marketing guys at the world db drag finals and their factory db drag team got some good results, not all there stuff is amazing but it its getting better.

Yes its budget equipment but for the price you pay it does great - 141db from that fusion nv bass package is brilliant and it sounds great - to put that into perspective one of my first 'expensive' installs consisted of an RE Audio xxx12 (one of the best regarded subwoofers in the world) and a us amps 1000 (1500wrms) and I only got 138db that set up cost £500. so thats twice as loud for alot less than half the money.

If i had £200 to spend on a bass set up i know what i would go for

That will never produce 1500wrms running off a car battery at 12 volts!!! it was tested at 14.4 volts which is not what a battery on a car produces!! if an amplifier produces 1000wattsrms at 14.4 volts then at 12 volts it will more likely produce nearer 500wrms!!!! And that a scientific FACT!!!

 

[Dan R]

Goto talkaudio.co.uk and check out the reviews, independant reviews from people who know there stuff.

http://talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=248087&highlight=fusion

alot of people who know about ICE have tested the stuff and are well impressed with it,

Yes Fusion have a unique marketing style, I spent 4 days with the one of there marketing guys at the world db drag finals and their factory db drag team got some good results, not all there stuff is amazing but it its getting better.

Yes its budget equipment but for the price you pay it does great - 141db from that fusion nv bass package is brilliant and it sounds great - to put that into perspective one of my first 'expensive' installs consisted of an RE Audio xxx12 (one of the best regarded subwoofers in the world) and a us amps 1000 (1500wrms) and I only got 138db that set up cost £500. so thats twice as loud for alot less than half the money.

If i had £200 to spend on a bass set up i know what i would go for

Do you know these people in person on talk audio????? they people who are just told to big up products. They probably have ten different names on there and either sell the product or actually work for the company!

 

[thejoose]

Wow, you seem angry!! but here goes <rolls up sleeves>

The best subwoofer in the world mate is a JL W7 SUBWOOFER. regarded as the best sounding sub you can buy!!!! DB drag and all that has got nothing to do with hifi and music. Its simply a scientific experiment to see how loud something is. It will sound absolutely dire listening to real music and not test tones that they use. Mate your talking to one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country. Dont believe me!!?!?! call BBG, or JL direct, or even four( distributors of audison, genesis up until recently, hertz etc etc. They will tell you!!!

I said the xxx12 was one of the best, not the best, and yes the w7 is a fantastic woofer but I havnt owned one so was only comparing to my own experiances

and your right about db drag not being the be all for testing a systems ability but it does give a comparable results, The NV package sounded good and went loud,

As for you being a highly regarded dealer I will take your word for it, but im sure slating a brand I guess you dont deal with is hardly professional is it?

That will never produce 1500wrms running off a car battery at 12 volts!!! it was tested at 14.4 volts which is not what a battery on a car produces!! if an amplifier produces 1000wattsrms at 14.4 volts then at 12 volts it will more likely produce nearer 500wrms!!!! And that a scientific FACT!!!

A car battery floats at 12.8ish volts, with engine running the system runs at 14.4v. the old school US Amps where rated at 12v into 4 ohms (because old school sound off classes where based on the rated power into 4 ohms that your amps could produce, companies like us amps started to produce cheater amps that did big power when loaded down low but at 4 ohms didnt do much) , I ran is into 1ohm at 14.4v so it probably was producing closer to 1500wrms but as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" you would know this

Im guessing you didnt deal with with US Amps either as you would know that (actually, im not guessing, I know that you didnt)

Do you know these people in person on talk audio????? they people who are just told to big up products. They probably have ten different names on there and either sell the product or actually work for the company!

Yes I do personally know some of these people. The db Drag scene is not just about one note wonders, it ties in very closley with the Emma and Iasca competition formats and we are a socialable bunch.

as for your comments about people faking names and working for fusion, On Talkaudio you can tell who works in the trade as there names are in a green colour. The people reviewing the products are long standing members of the community with reputations to up hold but again as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" calling these people liars is a very professional thing to do.

Here is a review of the NV CM65 set by Adam Rayner - its part of the 3 way setup Renshaw was asking about, im sure as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country, you know who Adam Rayner is He thinks they are good value for money and he is a man with a massive reputaion who listens to audio both home and in car, that costs more than my house

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=249&Itemid=54

Renshaw, I would listen to Adam Rayner over "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" but thats my opinion - Being as Car Hifi Centre dont stock fusion I dont believe Dan is able to give an unbiased view. He has suggested Pioneer, Alpine and JL Audio but slated JBL and Fusion, Can you guess which brands Car Hifi do and dont sell?

The JBL GT4/GT5 subs are fantastic for there money as is the Fusion NV range.

p.s. im honoured that you felt the need to post 3 seperate messages hehe

 

[thejoose]

Wow, you seem angry!! but here goes <rolls up sleeves>

I said the xxx12 was one of the best, not the best, and yes the w7 is a fantastic woofer but I havnt owned one so was only comparing to my own experiances

and your right about db drag not being the be all for testing a systems ability but it does give a comparable results, The NV package sounded good and went loud,

As for you being a highly regarded dealer I will take your word for it, but im sure slating a brand I guess you dont deal with is hardly professional is it?

That will never produce 1500wrms running off a car battery at 12 volts!!! it was tested at 14.4 volts which is not what a battery on a car produces!! if an amplifier produces 1000wattsrms at 14.4 volts then at 12 volts it will more likely produce nearer 500wrms!!!! And that a scientific FACT!!!

A car battery floats at 12.8ish volts, with engine running the system runs at 14.4v. the old school US Amps where rated at 12v into 4 ohms (because old school sound off classes where based on the rated power into 4 ohms that your amps could produce, companies like us amps started to produce cheater amps that did big power when loaded down low but at 4 ohms didnt do much) , I ran is into 1ohm at 14.4v so it probably was producing closer to 1500wrms but as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" you would know this

Im guessing you didnt deal with with US Amps either as you would know that (actually, im not guessing, I know that you didnt)

Do you know these people in person on talk audio????? they people who are just told to big up products. They probably have ten different names on there and either sell the product or actually work for the company!

Yes I do personally know some of these people. The db Drag scene is not just about one note wonders, it ties in very closley with the Emma and Iasca competition formats and we are a socialable bunch.

as for your comments about people faking names and working for fusion, On Talkaudio you can tell who works in the trade as there names are in a green colour. The people reviewing the products are long standing members of the community with reputations to up hold but again as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" calling these people liars isnt a very professional thing to do now is it.

Here is a review of the NV CM65 set by Adam Rayner - its part of the 3 way setup Renshaw was asking about, im sure as "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country, you know who Adam Rayner is He thinks they are good value for money and he is a man with a massive reputaion who listens to audio both home and in car, that costs more than my house

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=249&Itemid=54

Renshaw, I would listen to Adam Rayner over "one of the most high regarded audio dealers in the country" but thats my opinion - Being as Car Hifi Centre dont stock fusion I dont believe Dan is able to give an unbiased view. He has suggested Pioneer, Alpine and JL Audio but slated JBL and Fusion, Can you guess which brands Car Hifi do and dont sell?

The JBL GT4/GT5 subs are fantastic for there money as is the Fusion NV range.

p.s. im honoured that you felt the need to post 3 seperate messages hehe

 

[Renshaw]

right boys calm down! thanks for all your opinions for and against the fusion nv 3 ways! the truth is im just an amateur when it comes to all thing audio. however i love to tinker and play about with things experimenting with different ideas and taking things apart!! im gonna give these components a go and see if i like them and then figure out exactly what to do with them. as i said, im an amateur really so to be honest, as long as i like the sounds they produce then im happy. if not then theres always the bay or the for sale section!

anyway got some 6" focals on the way hopefully (cash permitting) so thats another set to play with along with the fusions, blaupunkt velocity and my alpines! tonnes of fun lol !!!!

crazy_clio, Dan R and thejoose are some passionate motherf**kers!!!

Renshaw

 

[thejoose]

right boys calm down! thanks for all your opinions for and against the fusion nv 3 ways! the truth is im just an amateur when it comes to all thing audio. however i love to tinker and play about with things experimenting with different ideas and taking things apart!! im gonna give these components a go and see if i like them and then figure out exactly what to do with them. as i said, im an amateur really so to be honest, as long as i like the sounds they produce then im happy. if not then theres always the bay or the for sale section!

anyway got some 6" focals on the way hopefully (cash permitting) so thats another set to play with along with the fusions, blaupunkt velocity and my alpines! tonnes of fun lol !!!!

crazy_clio, Dan R and thejoose are some passionate motherf**kers!!!

Renshaw

You hit the nail on the head there mate - as long as You like them thats what counts

Remember that its 25% product 75% install

A great installation can make crap epuipment sound fantastic, and a poor one will make even the most expensive eui[ment sound awful

and passionate is one way of describing it, my wife uses the term 'stupid immature and expensive"!

 

[Renshaw]

^ lol well shhhhh don't tell the wife then haha!!

thanks again guys. some of the new gear is arriving today (fingures crossed) so i'll post pics and stuff when i get them installed!!