and thats it then?? cos jon says so. lmfao.
172s have been running very close times to the mk1s for years. again tim 'o's cup, 14.0 albeit modded, chris n nics cup 14.4 iirc, paddys old flame red 14.7 standard, rhys' ph1 172 14.6 filter mods, the list goes on.
these are all times from 3+ years ago.
maybe the reason why mk1s run the better times is as the mk1 owners have been saying for years....the mk1 is quicker.
now jon says so it must be true?? and because it suits the argument. your agreeing.
as said above tho, its how it drives on the road that counts. and from what iv seen, the motorway is really the only place for the bodied beasties, too much unusable power for the back roads....as jon found out the other week in bolton lol. ok so yeah the williams was getting scary to drive, but its a track car, not set for road really, too harsh and fukt tyres/incorrectly adjusted rear bias valve made it very entertaining, was still there with the 197s tho. just lol.
The odd Mk2 gets near 'some' of the Mk1 times. Look at how many of each run what and narrow it down some. There's no way Mk2's are running 13.8's with breathing mods as you cant get enough weight out of them. You think ITB's are a big waste of money, but it's horses for courses, as in the real world if you ran into one chances are you'd be on a motorway, dual carriageway or A/B road and already moving... in which case it wont really be much of a comparison... as you have found out in a stripped cam'd and headworked Williams and the same again with bodies... and I had a passenger when we took them out both on bodies... okay, a half passenger in terms of weight, but that's a 225-230bhp car that weighs 1060kg's plus me and your lad against an 800kg 200+bhp ITB'd Williams. Not bad really imo
if Stu is changing at 7k (should be 7.5k) and still having traction issues going into 3rd then I'd say that contributes towards a fair bit of lost time. You talk about your car costing peanuts, even with bodies, but then they cost Ged more than my car, so comparing something you got cheap to someone else doing it the expensive way is hardly fair. I got mine with bodies for a good price and have spent a bit getting it better, it's cost me less than the Williams already, and I would need to spend about another £10k+ to even start getting near what I paid out on that. Bang for buck it's been good value and on the road (which to me is where it matters) there's not much to come even near it.
on the right setup the power is usable, mine's just totally unusable on any damp/wet roads or crappy surfaces, but that doesn't really matter, most of the roads I go on are pretty smooth compared to those Bolton B roads
the 'odd' mk2 gets near. try quite a lot. like i say these times were from 3+ years ago, when only a handful of mk1s could break into the low 14s barrier. and the majority of 172s werent far off those times. but they were still behind
and as you like to mention, stripped headworked cammed bodied car.nowhere near 200bhp as iv said, the problems iv had with the running of it would put it nowhere near 200 id say. in fact id say its very nearly as quick now than it was with the bodies, the main diff being that the bodies would rev from 7-8k as easily and quickly as from 1-2k revs. without it struggleas a bit at the high end.
yes they cost quite a bit of money when first installed, but again, someone else who doesnt listen to good advice, and takes his car to be worked on by cowboys.........what can i say?? i could have saved him thousands too. or done as you did, buy a cheap car, altho it would have been a damn site cheaper than you paid for yours, buts thats neither here nor there, spent quite a chunk more on it to get it running better, and id still be sat there with a car that costs a lot less, and no doubt if set up correctly, woul d be more than a match for yours til the gearbox limited the fun.
im not saying bodies are a waste of time, but neither am i saying they are the dogs gonads. they serve a purpose, to get a few extra ponies.....but then so do split 45s...as you say, horses for courses. personally i think the money would be better spent elsewhere, and the gains could be even higher.
but then im speaking from my opinion and experience, not someone elses
