Why my BHP gone...??

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

I cant figure it out... Its a 182, not a Clio 140...

Ali · Nov 17, 2005

emmm wats with the torque firgure and if its atw...thats not too bad.

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Yes, thats at the wheel.. before and after the filter change.

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Thats wrong, that makes over 400NM's of torque..

theduck · Nov 17, 2005

thats 9bhp increse atw! very good increase for just a filter!

Ali · Nov 17, 2005

Claps hands. you have the most powerful 182 eva.. lol... not a bad result.

Dan@SJM · Nov 17, 2005

when renault measure it its at the fly, but that was their protoype engine, so everything is as it should be, no crappy inlet manifold mouldings, or badly cast ports in the head, everything was perfect for their 1st 182 engine. BenR should be able to get your 182 to where it should be if your not happy with it.

y0z2a · Nov 17, 2005

346 ft/lb of torque, what did you put on there? a supra?

/y0z

miketheman2k · Nov 17, 2005

Yes, amazing increase

...is the car completely standard in every other respect?

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

AJRMOTORSPORT said:
Claps hands. you have the most powerful 182 eva.. lol... not a bad result.

Haarr Haarr..

Now, should it be that low..? How come others have 179bhp results and my ickle clio has 140bhp.?

Think K&N stiffed me and i need it to be run again..

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Yes, the car is standard..ill take some pics later of what they did..

Adams_16v · Nov 17, 2005

because 179 will be at the fly and that graph is at the wheels probably which is about right!

torque is miles out tho!

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Cool.. So i gained 8.5bhp from a filter on a standard car.?

MarkM · Nov 17, 2005

"A good guide is to deduct 10% of the flywheel figure plus another 10 bhp for FWD"

Just got this^ from another post. If it was true 180*0.1 = 18 (10%) + 10 bhp = 28bhp loss so should be around 150bhp?

130bhp would be a about 30% transmission loss?

Going the other way a 9bhp increase at the wheels would be what at the fly 11 bhp? A completely standard 182 with an air filter makes 191bhp??

Have I done all that right? If I have it seems wrong. (if that makes any sense!)

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

I only thought 2bhp from a filter..

MarkM · Nov 17, 2005

AliasOmega said:
I only thought 2bhp from a filter..

me to.

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

It makes a good noise tho, sounds weird.... :S

MarkM · Nov 17, 2005

I imagine it is tests like this that allow companies like K&N to market a 182 induction kit with 8bhp gains.

nelson182 · Nov 17, 2005

Any pics of this Apollo kit? Is it better than the Generation II kit? 8bhp gain sounds good.

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

When K&N market it as Clio 182 8bhp gain, just think of my car.

Oh yea, i filled it up with 95ron fuel on that day, not the 98ron as spec..

Mondial172 · Nov 17, 2005

Sounds like your 182 thinks its a diesel.

rcp · Nov 17, 2005

well with 98 you may see a gain as Fifth Gear proved.

Phill1978 · Nov 17, 2005

torque on that PMSL

nelson182 · Nov 17, 2005

Fifth gear proved that Optimax is the stuff to have over the BP ultimate. I've just put some Tesco 99 in, think it may need a few tanks before I really notice anything though!

Gareth · Nov 17, 2005

i've filled mine up with Tesco 99, good buy at 95.9, but I've yet to really drive the car with it

MrStabby · Nov 17, 2005

Gotta love the 99ron, only 90.9 round my way, and as the ole lady shops there, 5p discount off every litre. so filling tre car up is cheaper than filling with standard unleaded

Although heard that to make up the octane levels in the tesco'99ron they used some biochemicals or some sh*te. :/

Andyman · Nov 17, 2005

Well if the torque figure is wrong how can anyone belive that the BHP figure will be right ??

Adams_16v · Nov 17, 2005

japan and other countries have over 103ron, so its not a major big deal its just petrol companies being tight b******s!

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Andyman said:
Well if the torque figure is wrong how can anyone believe that the BHP figure will be right ??

Exactly as what i was thinking before, surely there must be something wrong as the clio only put out about 200NM of Torque on detailed on the site. Ive took some pictures of the fitment, im not really happy with the way the thing is fitted. Would of thought they would of done something more with that extra air hose that is nolonger required. The standard airbox has 2 inputs, one from behind the headlamp, one from the bumper.

Some pictures of the fitment... notice the damage to the filter already after 200miles of use last night on the motorway. The damage is caused by the engine bracket. Spoke to the R&D department, and they said that the filter was marked in that position originally.

Cold air feed disconnected

Suspected Damage

Can anyone confirm if the bolt circled was ment to be there..? Or has that been put into the original air intake.?

Bryan · Nov 17, 2005

i'm actually surprised people are reading into a bhp figure like that when you looks next to it and see the torque figure

somethings amiss, and i'd get it checked out on an independant engine dyno, just to make sure

it would explain some of k&n's claims though

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Can you confirm that bolt for me, im just on emailing them in R&D, works out the car gained 233NM's from the filter for which i suspect is very incorrect.

Need to put the think about the bolt into the email....

gh172 · Nov 17, 2005

As it says on the chart - "uncorrected". Presume they didn't measure torque so the max figure at the bottom is spurious. AFAIK you can only get a corrected at-the-fly figure if torque is measured as well. Apologies if this is b****cks...

/G

sadam · Nov 17, 2005

Have you tried a different Dyno - they all give different results - my Impreza varies by upto 20BHP, even when corrected, using the same dyno type but at differing facilities. The one you are using must be suspect as your torque figure is more than your average STI Impreza has. Since I also drive my partners 172 I can assure you that theres no way it has that much torque.

Dave · Nov 17, 2005

Why didnt they just cut short the other useless hose and point it toward the other one?

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

hip_spasm said:
Why didnt they just cut short the other useless hose and point it toward the other one?

Good point... tho i asked them not to modify the car i wanted to put it back to normal. Now they have drilled the original pipe, i cant put it back together...

Ive let them know...that pipe wont be cheap..

Dan@SJM · Nov 17, 2005

dyno runs are meant to be in 4th arent they? but, everything can make a difference, tyre pressures, air temps, weather, position of the dyno fan etc etc!

Ali · Nov 17, 2005

MarkM said:
"A good guide is to deduct 10% of the flywheel figure plus another 10 bhp for FWD"

Just got this^ from another post. If it was true 180*0.1 = 18 (10%) + 10 bhp = 28bhp loss so should be around 150bhp?

130bhp would be a about 30% transmission loss?

Going the other way a 9bhp increase at the wheels would be what at the fly 11 bhp? A completely standard 182 with an air filter makes 191bhp??

Have I done all that right? If I have it seems wrong. (if that makes any sense!)

Thats a bit of an old wives tale matey, doesn't always follow that specified value for transmission loss.

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Anyone wanna buy the kit.?

Ad · Nov 17, 2005

Looks a smart piece of kit. How much they hoping to retail it for??

AliasOmega · Nov 17, 2005

Between £155 - £190

Offers....

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