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Would you buy..





..a car that appears to have been treated well, knowing it had also been thrased regularly by the owner?

Im in the process of buying an M plate 16v with a Willy engine..

Its got a ridiculously low mileage (about 33k, confirmed by HPI check), up to £8k of receipts and servicing from the last year (since the current owner got the car), immaculate bodywork, coilovers etc etc

My problem is that I know the car has been driven HARD since it was owned by the current keeper.

Would 7 years of careful, low mileage ownership be worth a thing if, in the last 8 - 10 months, the car has been taken to the limit regularly?

Or would the fact that the owner has maintained the car well (new box, clutch, change of filters and plugs every 6-8 weeks) mean it shouldnt have had a detrimental affect on the vehicle?

Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated.. some of you may have also worked out whose car Im buying! :)
 


Hmmm, bit of a tricky on there mate!

The harder a car is driven, the more parts will wear. This is unfortunately a fact of life. But, as you say, its been treated properly inbetween the thrashings and has all the receipts, so I would say...

... go for it! :D
 


Cheers for the reply so quick!

Are you another Essex inhabitant, Im sure I noticed you were on a different thread? Im from Billericay, hoping to bring another of this websites mental motors to the county! ;)
 


Im a chelmsford based lad (deep joy) but Ive got a true essex car! Escort RS Turbo! he he he

But, as is usual for the bloody things, mines sat in the garage broken!

Theres loads of us from Essex - I think it must be something to do with people fly-ering every car they get the chance to! Jas (our leader!), night.icon, GTI Girl, Essex_Lad, Powelly, G16NNN, errrrm, and thats just the people I can think of.

Its a bit quiet on here today as loads of people are at the Trax show. Have a look again later on tonight - should be a few piccies up hopefully too. :)
 
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The 16v or 16vwilly engine are both high performance engines are were 0designed to rev hard and high especially the 16v where the majority of the power comes in after 4000rpm. I have driven my 16v hard for 60k miles and the thing flies and keeps getting quicker and quicker. It redlines daily and it loves it!

You shouldnt be at all worried if it has been driven hard as long as its been maintained well and by the sounds of it, it looks like it has.

BUY IT - it sounds good!.

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Clio 16v

The engine of the 16V can easily reach the 7200 rpm, with a constant push and a quite uniform curve of torque, all this advantages the regularity of cruising and the readiness of response at all rpm. The behaviour is particularly pleasant and invites to a sporty driving, especially in mixed routes, where you can take advantage of all the potentialities of the car.
Thanks also to the valuable characteristics of the powersteering whose readiness and precision, let the driver to correct, almost in a millimetric way, the trajectories. Bend after bend you can easily appreciate the awesome handling: almost a toy! And this is available to everyone because everybody can ride the 16V, even driving hard.

The fact is that the car can be driven in a clean way and is always well controlled, almost a go-kart for the genuine and quick reactions. The 16V faces the speedy curves without loosing the contact on the tarmac, remaining neutral. In any case every under or over steering can be easily corrected with instictive operations. The 16 valver always ensures you great control even in the emergency situations, it doesnt betray the driver when there are unexpected and violent transfers of load between the front and the rear; the reactions, even if more noticeable, are always very progressive. Another factor of security is given by the powerful brake system, and even without the ABS its pretty balanced and adjustable. Also the gear shifts are good, with quick and precise changes, even in the hardest situations when driving hard.

WILLIAMS

This is really a special Clio: it adopts a 2 liter engine that produces 150 hp with a good push from the lowest rpm, and brings very high performances also favoured by the low weight. In the first period of production, in order to permit the ratification in competitions, were planned only 2500 exemplaries, but due to many requests, the production was increased to another 3500 units; but it was a real success so another 3800 Williams were made. But all this enthusiasm for the 2 liter version of the 16 valver is justified? If the exterior compared to the 1.8 version is almost the same, apart the gold alloy wheels, the differences can be found in the extra cc available to this evolution. All the credits must be reserved to this engine that absorbs the loss of rpm during the gear changes and easily reaches the rev limiter with every gear.

Yet, in any case, the Williams can accelerate very hard, thanks also to great grip and very good traction: so it reaches the 0-100 km/h, the 400 metres and the 1000 metres in 7"72, 15"61 and 28"57. Even after the first km the acceleration continues without hesitation to the 215,700 km/h, at 6500 rpm! As for the 16V, the numbers are not all for this Clio; on the street this hot hatch is very irresistible, its almost impossible to renounce to the great emotions that the Williams produces. The limit is very high and the reactions are always genuine; it enters the curves very quickly and the roadhandling is at top level during all the bend, without loosing traction. As the 16V is very funny to conduce and gives great amusement, it seems to have no limits even when the four wheels tend to be a bit slippery on the tarmac.

A real genuine race car for the every day use and not only. The engine has got great torque that is produced for the 85% at 2500 rpm and 95% at 3500 rpm, this signifies a good response at middle and low rpm, and also in the extended accelerations. The only limit is given by the cutting of the injection at 6500. The gear shifting is at the same good level of the engine and theyre quite quick and precise. Compared to the 1.8 the overall behaviour takes advantage of the greater front axle that allows the car to remain a little oversteering but with more progression, especially in the limit situations; as the smaller version is very balanced and the suspensions are only a little harder, but not much difference. The result is a very secure cruising, also because of the same brake system, very powerful; the ABS system is only available to the last Williams produced by Renault. The setting of the powersteering is the same of the 16V and presents great precision and readiness. The fact is that this 2L version takes advantage of all the good things of the 1.8L and develops them even further, but the two models are almost comparable, the most evident characteristics can be found in a more incisive engine and a less nervous handling in the limit.
The Williams was first introduced in june 1993 and, as all the Clio range, had a minor restyling in September 1994 when was introduced the phase 2; the production stopped in late 1996, and was not continued with the phase 3.

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I bought my valver a year ago on 48.1K knowing full well it had been treated very nicely and hardly ever pushed.

One year on & 6.6K of hard miles, the engine is still in mint condition and the only part Ive replaced was a knackered oxygen sensor.

If you know that its been well maitained (regular oil changes etc.) then definately go for it.
 


Is this car pearlescent black with tinted windows and some aftermarket 16" alloys? if so, its a very well known club car and very cared for. Bet the price reflects that though!
 


£8K of reciepts and its only done 33k....

Also i bought my old 172 of a mate how thrashed the feck out of it for just over a year... look how that turned out :sick:
 


Cheers for the replies everyone! :eek: :D

Paddymph: ;)

Ben H: Price certainly does reflect the condition, and the work thats gone into it.. but its the very most I told myself I could pay for the right valver, so Im getting fully clued up before I make the final choice.

BigBoreBri: 8k is my estimate, not added everything up. Its had wheels, brakes, suspension, ICE, engine change and body mods, so thats not an unrealistic amount to spend in a year. Hopefully the next year isnt going to cost me nearly as much.. though full leather re-trim would be nice! :devilish:

mikesclio: Id like to hook up with a few essex members before the Southend meet in October, so I at least know some faces.. PM me if youd be up for a little mini-meetup at some point.
 
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These cars are meant to be driven hard and as long as it is serviced regularly it shouldnt be a problem.

Adi bought mine and has no regrets!
I do though. :(



Mat.
 


Yeah as long as the aint roasted (very important to avoid gasket hassles)and always had loads of the correct oil, they will take a thrash all day long. In fact has anybody noticed that quite often it is the cars that are regularily thrashed that turn out to be amongst the best, cartainly true of quite a few engines.
 


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