Better straight line speed?

[danh90]

Im really pleased with how the ph1 is running on track at the minute just feel I lack a little straight line speed.

The car is awesome in the corners handling wise and out braking plenty of better cars than mine (ds3000 pads) just feel as though I'd like that bit more straight line speed, to say its lacking is over the top I'd just like that bit more..

Im getting 438's fitted in February will this help or should I be going abit more on top ie bodies?

Help appreciated

Dan

 

[Mr Plums]

Dont mean to hi jack the thread mate, but im in the same boat so i will be interested in the replys you get.

 

[DannyR]

You need to be looking at Forced Induction to see any great increase.

 

[danh90]

Is that the way you went Danny

 

[Mr Plums]

Whats the best option and average prices of itbs, turbo or charger?

 

[DannyR]

Yep, 3 times.

No point spending £3-4k on ITBs and cams for 210bhp when Turboing or Supercharging can cost from £3k up and your looking at 240+.

I supercharged mine for £3k myself including standalone management and was 250/260bhp and 210/220 lbft.

 

[Mr Plums]

How much would supercharging mine cost all in would you reckon?

 

[DannyR]

Depends whether you want standalone management or not.

Paul @ RSTuning does a complete mapped package for £4200 I believe.

 

[Knuckles]

booooooooooost!

 

[Dan@SJM]

I run an RS2 with 197 cams. Literally pulls from 1700rpm-7800rpm without a dip in torque makes it massively faster in a straight line due to it just pulling constantly.

 

[LiamR172]

booooooooooost!

Is that of a boat? Haha..

Usually on the clios as you may know, for alot more power then its alot more money!

 

[bill]

do these s/c clio's still handle well on track? ( or should i say as well )

 

[DannyR]

Of course, why wouldn't they? Suspension is all the same, you just need to learn throttle control out of the bends

 

[tom172cup]

^ This

 

[bill]

Just presumed you couldn't nail it as much out of the bends. Due to losing traction

 

[dmallett]

Just presumed you couldn't nail it as much out of the bends. Due to losing traction

After seeing Danny drive you don't loose any drivabilty, you learn to control it.

Cams will make your car faster and more drivable, but for proper noticeable gains you need to go boost. Danny's car is quick, with a lot of usable power.

 

[Wick]

Cams and ITB's are the way forward though if you don't like boost...

NA all the way

 

[dmallett]

Each to there own. Both cost similar,

Hardest choice is between a screaming charger or the roar of bodies! Lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

The only reason anyone in Motorsport has ever had an n/a car is because the rules banned or limited turbos. It's a massively cheaper way to get huge amounts more power, hence all the Motorsport rectrictions on them, if you don't have those rules it's silly not to take advantage of the fact if straightline pace interests you.
You will get more than double the extra bhp for the same money and five times the gains in torque.

ive had a few itb cars and I do like the noise and the way they drive but bottom line is they are far slower than the same car with a turbo would be.

 

[Daniel]

The only reason anyone in Motorsport has ever had an n/a car is because the rules banned or limited turbos. It's a massively cheaper way to get huge amounts more power, hence all the Motorsport rectrictions on them, if you don't have those rules it's silly not to take advantage of the fact if straightline pace interests you.
You will get more than double the extra bhp for the same money and five times the gains in torque.

ive had a few itb cars and I do like the noise and the way they drive but bottom line is they are far slower than the same car with a turbo would be.

This.

If its a track day application and you're not having to adhere to rule books, why on earth would you spend £3000 on bodies for 212bhp when you could go Turbo/supercharged and get 240+bhp for the same money??

 

[Mr Plums]

Tbh ive had petrol turbo cars for the past 7-8 years and since moving to a n/a 182 im really enjoying the drive, i love how more up the revs you get the more power you get.
Especially loving the 5k kick

I love how you have to drive it to get the full potential, unlike a turbo car where you never have to change gear lol.

I think i would go throttle boddies, a turbo is just a cheap fan tbh :rasp:

 

[Daniel]

And faster.

 

[Mr Plums]

Probably yes, but then you have to forge the engine etc.

 

[Daniel]

Probably yes, but then then you have to gorge the engine etc.

Then then gorge the engine??

 

[tom172cup]

^^ not for low boost

 

[DaveDreads]

This.

If its a track day application and you're not having to adhere to rule books, why on earth would you spend £3000 on bodies for 212bhp when you could go Turbo/supercharged and get 240+bhp for the same money??

I wish you hadn't have said that, I was all for the dog kennel eventually getting ITBs,
but it does make sense that for the same money you get more power from a turbo or S/C.

I'd just be worried about going bang at some point, athough it doesn't seem to bother Toms S/C Cup.

 

[Daniel]

Tbf, if an engines going to go bang, its going to go bang. Its a risk you take.

But if it went bang, strip down what you've got, buy an engine off here for £250, fit all your bits back on and away you go.

When you start forging and uprating cams and s**t, it gets expensive. An expensive clio is pointless.

 

[DaveDreads]

That's the thing about the dog kennel, the engine's strong as f*ck,
it's the rest of it that goes wrong, the engine's never gave me any sh*t,
so I think it could take more power without going bang.

 

[tom172cup]

That's the thing about the dog kennel, the engine's strong as f*ck,
it's the rest of it that goes wrong, the engine's never gave me any sh*t,
so I think it could take more power without going bang.

Nitrous :evil:

 

[Daniel]

Turboooooooooo!!

(Chip reckons he can do it for under £2000 including standalone!)

 

[Chip-mk1]

Mine isn't forged yet, did 258 on low boost and 280+ on high.

Even ran the standard bottom end with 2 bar overboost

God knows why other people think these engines don't like a turbo, with such an appalling inability to rev properly they are far better suited to turbo use, they just aren't good engines n/a, the geometry is all wrong!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Nitrous :evil:

Epic for drag racing. Expensive to use for track days.

 

[tom172cup]

Epic for drag racing. Expensive to use for track days.

Be fine lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

Turboooooooooo!!

(Chip reckons he can do it for under £2000 including standalone!)

With secondhand parts and no labour charges piece of cake for 2k, that's all mine cost to do when Mwm first built it.
Weve just done another one recently as well (my involvement was just a bit of the mapping with mike, mike and his brother did the spannering) for similar money too.

 

[DaveDreads]

If i'm going to spend more on the engine than the whole car's worth,
I might as well go f*cking mental and do it all.

Nitrous sounds like fun though.

 

[Chip-mk1]

If you want nitrous info try the forum I admin:

Http://forum.nitrous-advice.org

 

[DaveDreads]

Cheers Chip, i'll give that a read.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Nitrous is the single most amazing thing to do to an engine performance wise, but the gas costs a lot.

At retail price my sierra costs 50p a second in nitrous.

ideal for drag racing, terrible for a lap of the ring. Lol.

 

[LewisTaylor]

After spending nearly 4k on my ITB's and cams in my previous clio's for just 212bhp I won't do it again. Don't get me wrong in a 900kg Clio I went past standard clio's like they were going backwards. Boost is the way forward if you aren't governed by rules...

 

[DannyR]

Post the vid up of us Lew