Better straight line speed?

2Damnsly Andy · Nov 22, 2012

Danlp6 said:
They're still behind places like integrated engineering and APR IMO.

Dahlback racing, JNL , Jeroke Dik to name three very good 1.8T engine builders in Europe. Dahlback racing have been running a 900bhp MKIV golf for about 12 years now if not longer. The Americans were very late to the party imo.

Chip-mk1 · Nov 22, 2012

I really cant see much point in arguing about which country had the best VW tuners first, seems of pretty limited interest to the OP who wants to make his clio quicker?

I only mentioned the yanks in the context of the sheer number of them drops the price of parts versus clio ones that was all, didnt intend it to go into some lengthy VW discussion.

2Damnsly Andy · Nov 22, 2012

I thought your knowledge was all encompassing?

Chip-mk1 · Nov 22, 2012

2Damnsly said:
I thought your knowledge was all encompassing?

About VWs?

No mate, not something I have had massive dealings with, couple of engine builds and mapped a few and thats about it, other than this corrado 4wd v8 project we are just starting (and im only giving a hand here and there and doing the mapping, the main build will be down to my mate who owns the car)

And I certainly dont bother to follow what country does what first etc, as I tend to do my own thing not copy others anyway.

Hence I have made no comment at all on the order different countries have done things in, you must have mistook one of dan's posts for mine or something. It just doesnt interest me at all, I like engines, I dont care what country people come from or not, other than if there are lots of them like the yanks it helps bring the price of parts down for the rest of us.

danh90 · Nov 22, 2012

Just made an interesting purchase should be a pretty decent clio built in next few month

Wick · Nov 22, 2012

That ebay item?

danh90 · Nov 22, 2012

Wick said:
That ebay item?

Yes mate

Wick · Nov 22, 2012

Interesting

danh90 · Nov 22, 2012

Tbh I don't know a great deal about it, getting it this weekend then will see what the crack is

Chip-mk1 · Nov 22, 2012

Put it on decent management. Don't mess around with that silly piggyback it sold with

danh90 · Nov 23, 2012

Asked him what ecu he has for it , Its an aem fuel ignition controller but it needs wiring in apparently

bill · Nov 24, 2012

dmallett said:
This is from the airfield, supercharger in the lead. Im now looking through my vids from germany.

edit.

At the end of this video (from 2.15 on) you can see the difference of the two cars pulling away. Im struggling to find the videos of the two blasting side by side on the autobahn
[video=vimeo;43048388]https://vimeo.com/43048388[/video]

What power is the sc clio running? are they both stripped out etc? both rapid!

Chip-mk1 · Nov 24, 2012

That aem fic is a poor solution, if you lower the cr at some point in the future to run proper boost you will not be able to advance your timing with it, so go straight to aftermarket now so it's a better long term solution. Just sell that one on and buy an omex or mtech or even a bloody emerald, but for god sake don't use that one, you will only live to regret it.

dmallett · Nov 24, 2012

bill said:
What power is the sc clio running? are they both stripped out etc? both rapid!

One was really stripped, the sc one not so. Both loaded with spares, camping gear and two people so neither were that light at the time.

Danny never knew what his sc was running, he often estimated over the 250bhp mark. Lewis was running over 210bhp (I think) in the white Clio.

Two quick Clios.

dmallett · Nov 24, 2012

I thought you were referring to the video I posted last. ,so ignore the bit about weight.

danh90 · Nov 24, 2012

Chip-mk1 said:
That aem fic is a poor solution, if you lower the cr at some point in the future to run proper boost you will not be able to advance your timing with it, so go straight to aftermarket now so it's a better long term solution. Just sell that one on and buy an omex or mtech or even a bloody emerald, but for god sake don't use that one, you will only live to regret it.

Best place to get a Omex or mtech from chip?

Chip-mk1 · Nov 24, 2012

danh90 said:
Best place to get a Omex or mtech from chip?

Well if buying new, from Omex or Mtech themselves is the best bet generally, although in the case of Mtech I did a group buy on them for another forum and consequently can normally still get a bit of discount on them new.
Its Mtech that my turbo runs on, but Omex is probably a better option in terms of more people around to map it, not a problem to me obviously as I do all my own mapping anyway.

DannyR · Nov 24, 2012

dmallett said:
I thought you were referring to the video I posted last. ,so ignore the bit about weight.

I think mine weighed more than standard lol!

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

dmallett said:
One was really stripped, the sc one not so. Both loaded with spares, camping gear and two people so neither were that light at the time.

Danny never knew what his sc was running, he often estimated over the 250bhp mark. Lewis was running over 210bhp (I think) in the white Clio.

Two quick Clios.

thought it did 230 at FMS/69/Scholar?

MWRS182 · Nov 25, 2012

Fred said:
just fold the mirrors in

I did this and gained an extra half a MPH.

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

danh90 said:
Asked him what ecu he has for it , Its an aem fuel ignition controller but it needs wiring in apparently

as far as piggyback controllers go, that's not a bad one. It still won't work properly on a clio, the standard ECU learns around the adjustments you make with a piggyback

DannyR · Nov 25, 2012

Dan@519Automotive said:
thought it did 230 at FMS/69/Scholar?

It did but breathing oil heavily, rings were shot. Was noticeably down on power too.

When it was first done I would say it was a bit higher.

danh90 · Nov 25, 2012

Dan@519Automotive said:
as far as piggyback controllers go, that's not a bad one. It still won't work properly on a clio, the standard ECU learns around the adjustments you make with a piggyback

So Omex is the route to go then am I looking at right one it was about £1300?

Also with it needing meg injectors can they come from any meg turbo engine

DannyR · Nov 25, 2012

Buy injectors new for £150

danh90 · Nov 25, 2012

Sound didn't realise they were as cheap as that just need to get my ecu bought and wired up

imprezaworks · Nov 25, 2012

How much is the ecu and relevant wiring etc? Sorry if its allready been said. And have you picked the car up?

danh90 · Nov 25, 2012

Getting delivered Tuesday, and not sure about the ecu tbh dan if it's all going to cost a fortune I may even just end up splitting and selling it as its worth more than £1900 in parts, will try and get it all on the ph1 though

imprezaworks · Nov 25, 2012

Ah okay. Hope it goes ok tuesday, will keep an eye on what your upto mate.

dmallett · Nov 25, 2012

DannyR said:
It did but breathing oil heavily, rings were shot. Was noticeably down on power too.

When it was first done I would say it was a bit higher.

It was much quicker. The amount of oil being breathed was mental.

DannyR · Nov 25, 2012

A litre on every tank of petrol was getting expensive!

Chip-mk1 · Nov 25, 2012

Omex 600 is perfectly upto the job, as is mtec v4. You don't need to a very expensive ecu just to get it working fairly well. I've mapped cars at 400bhp even on basic ecu's like those.

dont get me wrong, I'd much sooner see you on autronic sm4 like i run on my williams engine or similar, but its not actually required and will end up costing you most of what the car just did.

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

danh90 said:
So Omex is the route to go then am I looking at right one it was about £1300?

Also with it needing meg injectors can they come from any meg turbo engine

GEN90 is £1040 and it plugs straight in. Omex is old technology

danh90 · Nov 25, 2012

I didn't realise they were around that price tbh,

Danny would the mapping I need doing once all fitted be the same price as any normal mapping or is there more work involved

Fred@BTM · Nov 25, 2012

hasn't the GEMS stuff been around for years though? just adapted to work for the clio PNP

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

Fred said:
hasn't the GEMS stuff been around for years though? just adapted to work for the clio PNP

nope, chips/boards/processors were new in about 2009/10. 3 times the data file size of an omex 600 in a GEN90. Only 2 aftermarket ECU's have used that chip set, and one has been dropped entirely quite recently

The 600 was a re-hash of a discontinued GEMS Minizeta that had been around since the 90s. should have updated/supersceded it by now but stock car racers still buy it for their pintos. The Omex 710 is a downgraded GEMS EM36 (FBW and CANbus removed IIRC) All runs engines ok, but doesn't do everything else.

oh, and worth noting since i've seen some kind of nagative jibes at GEMS from you before. 3 cars in top 5 at Le Mans this year had GEMS ECU's

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

danh90 said:
I didn't realise they were around that price tbh,

Danny would the mapping I need doing once all fitted be the same price as any normal mapping or is there more work involved

be in a similar ballpark as anything similar

Fred@BTM · Nov 25, 2012

oh i though it was used as a PNP unit in some race series, must've been something else

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

Fred said:
oh i though it was used as a PNP unit in some race series, must've been something else

well there's probably some combination of bits used elsewhere, but it's all very new. That specific ECU was done from scratch basically

danh90 · Nov 25, 2012

What sort of power do people achieve running low boost on turbo clios? Once I've got the new car Tuesday going to sit down see what makes more sense money wise strip it make abit or put more into it to get it going

Dan519 · Nov 25, 2012

danh90 said:
What sort of power do people achieve running low boost on turbo clios? Once I've got the new car Tuesday going to sit down see what makes more sense money wise strip it make abit or put more into it to get it going

240-250 is a safe reliable output (in relative terms) on a stock engine with a Rotrex

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