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- Thread starter Scudetto
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My opinion of the new clio 182 is that it hasnt really moved Renault any further on in the hot hatch market. To compete it needs 200bhp like the CTR and FRS. The extra 10bhp and a few tweaks here and there arent enough for me to justify changing my mk1 for one.
When I first got my 172 it was the hot hatch king now unfortunately I feel Renault are playing catch up.......might be different when the new Clio comes out in a few years time......fingers crossed!!
I disagree.
The Megane RS is intended to take on the next class size up CTR and Focus RS - although the Clio inevitably ends up being compared to these cars.
The real competitors for the 172/182/16V/Williams/GT Turbo in terms of price and size have always been the smaller VTS, 106 GTi, 106 Rallye, 205 GTi etc (although are usually more expensive).
At the end of the day if you pull up to the lights in 172 and theres a CTR next to you your not going to say "well I wont take him on because hes in the next class up" are you......The mk1 172 Ive got is with out doubt the best car Ive ever owned its just the 182 isnt going to be a big enough improvment for me to change to.......bet if the new 182 did have 200bhp Reno wouldnt lose out as much ground as it has to the CTR though.
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
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But the ctr is aimed at another market sector.
it aint a supermini is it!!
Clio rivals:
Cooper s
206 GTI
Ibiza
Polo R
Fabia VRS
Fiesta ST150
Corsa GSI (when its made)
CTR Rivals
Seat Cupra R
Focus RS
Megane RS (Renaults answer to the ctr)
Octavia VRS
Astra GSI
Makes me laugh that the clio is compared to the CTR and LCR, just shows you how good it really must be.
the Clio is compared to the CTR, Leon etc as the whole driving experience. i.e. the Clio is often included in track days with 911s etc...that doesnt mean it competes with a 911 as such (like, doh), but as a drivers car, its on a par with them in as much as it is terrific fun, and entertains the driver like a drivers car should do. Of course the Porsche is probably faster/handles better bla bla bla, but then so it should at £60k - but that doesnt make the Clio £50,000 less of an entertaining drivers cars. If that makes any sense.
I agree with King S - Clio doesnt need more power, but some/some more traction would be nice.
g
Price isnt the most important factor IMO, but year i suppose it is one factor. If you go down the line of using price then you cant compare a cup and a mini, and you end up comparing a cup to really sh*te cars. I think size and spec are also important as well as target market.
to be honest, when I bought mine, there wasnt any new car I could think of that could match the whole package it offered (power, engine characteristics, handling, kit, safety, interior design, looks, size - I like smaller cars). Admittedly, I did no research at all re: alternatives, as Id pretty much made my mind up. Not very thorough, not very scientific...but sometimes logic goes out the window where shiny new motors are concerned.
g
"Ideal for some drag racing maniac that wants to kill themselves and other road users"
thatll be moi - flattery will get you nowhere!
No, seriously I was replying with track use in mind. the cup chassis, brakes and mechanics are good for 240bhp with the main issue becoming traction, hence my comment about an LSD.
On the subject of people killing themselves and others by driving like lunatics on public roads: well the world is full of muppets and you dont need 240bhp to achieve that (just take a look at the driving tales section). Any car put into the wrong hands is a weapon. I hope not to be tempting fate if I tell you that Ive been driving for twenty two years without causing a single accident.
cheers, P
I find it somewhat ironic that 172 owners are jumping to say that the 172 shouldnt be compared with the before mentioned cars yet if you have a peek in driving tales what do you see..!!
I agree with whoever said the Clio needed 200bhp, it did, purely to make it king. Yeah it would of competed with the Megane RS, but then dont bother with it, the French specialise in lightweight hatchbacks after all! Id question how advanced the front suspension is on the 172/182 is to be able to cope with 200bhp though.
Ill look forward to reading the article tonight
-Rob
A cup with 200 BHP would surely keep pace / outperform a V6 mk2 and so renault would shoot themselves in the foot offering similar performance cars but one at 12k and the other at 25k. Alot is about marketing.
youre absolutely right.
Im waiting to see what can be done with the Mk2 V6. If somehow that could be increased to 220bhp/ton I may get one and tweek it. But unless the Mk2 can shed some weight, youd need 290/300 bhp to achieve that power/weight.
I really think the "sweet spot" for Renault lies somewhere between a 172/182 and the megane RS 225. The ultimate Q car would be a light (900Kg) clio cup with the 225 turbo engine, tuned up to 240/250.
No chance. Supermini BHP wont go that high.
