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suck squeeze bang blow.......whether it be a 1000cc old school mini, or a veyron......thats how an engine works. cost of cars in the workshop means nothing. you either know what your doing or you dont. fools part with money quite easily. rich fools even easier.

most supposed tuners do mate. but then most come from a sales background and could convince anyone that they know what they are doing. the guys you really need to take your car to to get work done are the guys that dont advertise, dont have bling looking websites claiming they can give...

and you didnt tell them?? to get the best poss power...id say dismiss pretty much all 'tuners' and do it yerself. then get a decent co. to do the mapping. which kung fu has now done and is reaping the massive benefits. this is not to say that a few decent co.s wont have done the job...

done fair play mate....but they were thinking it was a std car. which it wasnt. shoddy workmanship can take forever to rectify. ask kungfu spag.........lol hes spent a hell of a lot more than you..and the shoddy workmanship is still a big problem for him. im still waiting for the text...

no offence mate. but they seem to be at least trying to sort the prob. ok. so maybe they should have realised there was something not quite rigt before they started, but from the vid, id say its been well down on power since you got it. hope it goes well for you, and your happy with the...

no the car in the vid isnt standard. but figure this. a 150 bhp engine, with cams.....ecu not mapped for the mods. against a 172 with 165bhp, with cams, and mapped for the mods..... the 172 should really be quicker, or at the very least equal to the unfinished williams. and its...

some ppl will believe anything. and no disrespect to the OP. but most ppl will believe what a tuner tells them if they arent clued up in that respect. yes he may of thought it was running fine, which doesnt mean it was. the no. of times iv repaired cars that have come from a 'tuners' is...

doesnt matter what the cam car was running........it was a slow lap by any standards as above, cam car was a slow lap, 172 wasnt driving as tho he was chilin out on a cool down lap so i would say he was trying. compare the above vid to this...a car with less power, and the cam car is...

cam car did a 2.20 ish lap, and passed him....and looked like he did so very easily...no way was the car running anywhere near right. even a nr standard williams will b quicker than that. looks well slow to me tbh.

iv owned a couple........only on track tho ;) nice motors, but personally....i couldnt live with 1.

stealthsport sell them dont they???

errrrr........well i can only go by experience of other cars ...of which iv driven....mapped by 1 of the personel. needless to say the map was dire.

back on topic.........;) a proper map will benefit loads more than a generic map tho mate. just be careful who maps it tho. ;)

mines not even on 100k yet. and wont be for a good few years. but i like to change it evry now and then just for summat to do. no reason to let them get to the stage that they NEED changing imho. they not overly hard to do.

im not insinuating anything. just that the cambelt should be done as a matter of course when the cams are installed. and not an additional cost no matter where the work gets done. and every car should have MORE than 2 cambelts in its lifetime. mine has had quite a few over the 8 years...

tbh....a cambelt kit should be catered for in the cost of having the cams fitted. no one worth taking the car to for mods would fit cams without renewing the belts anyway.

good luck

so a car going in with 250 bhp at the wheels...and coming out at 270 makes no diff to the actual flywheel figures?? i see. the map miraculously just gets rid of transmission losses.??

who said it did...about 11% loss between both sets of figures....low for a fwd car i know...but hey...both sets of figures on same rollers, same conditions.

when the car went in vs when the car came out. thats the diff a decent map made. went in at 250 at the fly/223(iirc) at the wheels.....came out with 243 (iirc) at the wheels. 270 odd at the fly as above....the mapping CAN make the diff between fly and @ wheels figures. if the first...

theirs was on omex mate. and meant guessing the low end map and only doing a 'power' map at a proper mappers, the at the fly figure figure was about 2 bhp higher than the wheels figure when done properly.

hmmmm....i know another 'reputable' company that does this too...cowboys.

jims was a pretty quick one mate. u will have seen it at york a few times.

about 40 kgs with full trim ;) still..... a well tuned 5 with apparently a race driver at the wheel, is still no match for a cammed williams....2 up too . ;) hrq0Xqrzg8I

they must be really bad drivers then ;)

diff engine i know, and apparently a worse one cos its older.......but std vs cammed in ur williams you could tell the diff no questions. as you say tho, weighing up the 2....no comparison.

personally id go with a 1.2 unsunroofed model and throw the willy or valver susp on, and a meg 2.0 in, with a valver dash/loom. thats if i was building a track car, and i didnt happen to have a spare williams 1 sat doin nowt ;)

fair point on the regs etc. personally i think theyd be better off teaching people how to drive properly in the first place. after all, the aim of passing the test is to show confidence and prove that you have full control of the car. abs/tc/esp etc etc etc all detract from a driver EVER having...

lol.yes i drove it normally......which to most on here would be caining the arse out of it...and teh cs police id just be plain stupid/wrong/c**t/........whatever. yes clios are normal cars...the rs range though should be a step above, and more. they are the hot hatch, and we all...

depends really.... iv smoked loads of vts's in the williams, and also 172s....but craggy bought 1 new a few years ago....was always pretty much dead level, altho his ran a few tenths quicker than mine down the strip, that was always caught back up further down the road. 0-limiter in 5th, id take...