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I have had no issues at all with Meguiars Shampoo Plus or Hyperwash both make loads of suds, that water is not that hard round here so would not like to say for sure.

Has anyone got any pics of 002 is it really mint ?

It is all the little touches the 197 is lacking that puts me off it, like above, the lack of a decent set of factory fit floor matts, order some of the optional wheels wheels in black and get graphite grey center caps. That said can you now not spec the 197 with full leather ? The Recaros in...

According to reports on Macrumours there is also some kind of water sensor near the headphone jack to make sure there is no dispute on warranty claims from water damage, no sure how much of that is true or scaremongering.

No prefer it dry ...

Sounds a bit like the Swissvax Shampoo, leaves a great finish, but is not cheap and is limited in suds. I tend to pre foam with Shampoo Plus anyway on the Clio so no biggy.

On dark coloured paint the Onyx will look better than the #16. Not sure the Onyx will be as durable as the Meguiars which is a proven performer. Still not sure that the looks differences between them will be seen on a light colour like silver.

The Megs Yellow ones are slightly larger but I also have lots of the non branded ones that are 4 plus years old and still fine, no failing edges, no marring from them, there foam is slightly firmer/denser than the Megs ones but that is no bad thing. Nothing wrong with them.

I have not used the Carlack Stuff as it was out of stock when I went to order some. Aside from the front Screen on the 182 I wax the glass, so to avoid stripping off the protection I use Clearkote Quickshine quick detail spray for wipe downs in between proper sealing.

6 points are not going to help you, how do you stand after the Civic fire that still counting against you ?

Only from Swissvax themselves now. http://www.swissvax.co.uk/

I wash the car and rinse, then re-wet the panel with soapy water, the soap is a must for having proper lubrication.

It has been worse not by much ! I agree on the Swissvax, not found any waxes to come close to Onyx or my Best of Show.

Undercarriage Cleaning Guide for the geeks on here ;) http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=304442

Alloys can also wear SRP and EGP, maybe get the Poorboys Wheel Sealant to top them. Tyre Dressing wise - from Clean Your Car ? - Poorboys Bold and Bright, if prepared to order elsewhere Blackfire Deep Gloss Gel.

Gold Class is not bad, just expensive when you work out how much Megs charge for a US Gallon of Shampoo Plus and Hyperwash which are both nicer products. Duragloss or Sonax are both nicer than all of the above though.

I find the yellow foam hand pads most traders give for free fine for SRP.

#16 is akin to it - Even on Black you can drive in the rain and the car stay quite clean. After 50 miles in the rain Only the back where the airflow was not good does it get mucky Cleans up easily though http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/r-jay-clio/16%20Test/

As long as you use a durable one if will help the sealants protection levels nicely.

Mine works fine to, just followed the instrutions on the googlemail site.

Works well over SRP/ AG SRP, 1 coat of Jeffs and 1 coat of Zymol Carnuba is still holding up well and that was applied last September on my daily drive.

As soon as the clay piece can not be kneaded to get a clean face then chuck it. Also make sure it is soft, warm and plyable and you use plenty of QD or soapy water, allow the clay to glide, no need to use anymore pressure than to keep it in contact with the paint.

If you have the Jeffs stick with it IMO, better product than the Blitz.

Woolite keeps them as good as new, a few I have not washed in the same way are not as good.

Allegedly the bottle I had was from a duff batch - but it was enough to put me off, produced bugger all suds!

Optimax/V Power from new, as to making any difference I don't know for that reason. But as the fuel flap says it needs super that's what it gets ...

Have to love it when it all comes at once, payed the insurance last week too, 300 quid and then the tax is due as well!

Maxi Suds is a normal car wash, people just use it as a pre wash, I agree though on trying something else it is a pretty crap product.

May not need to go as aggressive as the IP straight off, worth doing some test sections with a milder polish and pad. If you use the RMG, may as well go straight to wax as no sealants will bond properly to it.

The couple I have done have been fairly soft. If it has never been clayed chances are it will need to be.