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The difference is because some 172s seem to come out of the factory down on power. I had a MK2 172 before my MK1 and it had 16bhp less at the wheels than another mk2 172 RRd the same day. Whats more, mine didnt get the lowest output that day :o I dont think anyone has ever adequately explained...

lol, fair enough

Why ever not? Not every thread has to turn into a slanging match. The fact is that the F4R engine puts out around 166bhp. Doesnt bother me, its still fast enough and most people assume it has 172bhp!

I think when the engines are dynod out of the car, they get 166bhp. Theres a Rolling Road day in Bury this coming weekend with loads of 172s going. Will have some at the wheel figures then...

Tree hugger. Small animals collapse and die as I drive past with my dirty great decat pipe :D

If youre looking for performance then youve got to go for the VTS. The VTS is also dead handy for cheap and effective breathing modifications. Only problem with it is that its a Saxo! The 1.6 16v Clio is a nice car, but not especially quick and def. not as quick as a VTS.

Ive had 4 clios in approx. 2 years :oops: Will not be having another one though thanks to the piss poor build quality and useless customer service :cry:

It all depends on how heavy your right foot is. It will do more than 30mpg in traffic if youre careful with it, but somehow I always end up with more like 27mpg in rush hour town driving. Motorway driving can get you 40+mpg, again depending on how well behaved you are.

I think that might be responsible for the banging noise when making tight turns at low speeds. Ah, the joys of Renault ownership ;)

The 1.4 16v is a fair bit nippier than the 1.2 8v. Its still a fairly low insurance group, but has around 98bhp. I had one and loved it. I only got rid of it so I could get a 172.

I reckon were going to see some all over the place torque readings this weekend at the Bury RR day. Every RR day Ive been to there have been 172s with odd/bad torque curves. Isnt this the reason that the RSport/GrpN ECU works so well, as it somehow smooths the delivery of the torque?

Sorry, just checked my mail!

Does that mean my mk1 is a limited edition, as that was only made for a limited time too. And the Ford Escort. Limited to about 30 years ;)

I think the two main culprits are "axle tramp" or a loose engine mount. Mine didnt used to do it, but it does it badly now. Even in 2nd gear if Im giving it a bit of stick.

no problem. Ill check my mail later this evening. Rhys

Sounds about right as a wheel figure for a properly running 172. Would like to see the graph actually. Either use the Cliosport uploader or send it to me at mailto:rhys172@blueyonder.co.uk">rhys172@blueyonder.co.uk and Ill host it.

The Spax ones are also progressively wound (and £40 cheaper than Eibachs!)

Just fitted 4 Spax springs to my mk1. Theyve totally transformed the handling of the car, and cornering is now fun rather than terrifying. Only downside is quite a harsh ride on bumpy surfaces, but the upside outweighs the downside easily....!

Dont see why not. Maybe not turbo as car was designed as N/A, but head, chip, cams, throttle bodies all sound good :devilish:

Agree with 007. Provided the mods are out of sight in the engine bay, do what you like. Just dont change the wheels, give it a bad boy bonnet, put neons on it or anything like that...!