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Was the Evo X on the HD demo? I'm pretty sure it was just in the prologue? Chris

I found the cars felt heavier (which I thought was great) but I thought even the mini was easily put out of shape especially under braking at speed Chris

Its great as long as you don't expect the photomode super AA'd pics in game lol Tbh I can't wait for the photomode especially looking at the backdrops on the demo Chris

Its surprising when you think you have got your best then someone else beats you , you find a little bit more...try and find a time online that is a little faster than you and has a replay available then you can have a target who might use different lines from yourself Chris

Well it was in response to the F1 pic of GT5 which was not in game..but also photomode in Forza2 doesn't add any extras that isn't in game as far as I know but demonstrates that it is easy to show a bad pic to aid a comparison Another comparison here

Lol oops...although he is right ;) Chris

No thats a photomode pic...which everyone with an ounce of common sense has know about for months... The point I'm making is posting that picture of the F1 car which is obviously not 'in game' isn't a good comparison. Games companies do it all the time...check out the images of GT on psp...there...

about time ;) Chris

I still don't see GT5 looking so much better tho...replays yes but as the normal player on an ext view or bumper cam the amazing detail doesn't really show I don't want you to think I'm backing it up because I have an xbox...I was a massive fan of the GT series but I just think people on the...

lol one sec I'll just find the best picture possible of GT5 then a shitty one of forza 2 This is one of my pics from forza 2...no editing or anything daft Then you have GT And Forza 3

Sorry braz....this is the vid I meant...but I struggle to see where this is so much better than FM3? http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/857126/gran-turismo-5/videos/gt5_gmp_tgs09_damage2.html I won't deny that the replays seen previously of GT5 are graphically stunning...there is something...

?! Ahh you mean forza 1.....surely?

yeah....I'm must admit those vids on IGN weren't very impressive..I thought it had full damage modeling ie hit a barrier and the car would bend round the barrier but it looks just like regular damage and although the replay car models are amazing the ingame looks pretty normal to me Chris

When will there be a finished code tho.......it was being released in a month up untill recently so this was finished code but they have obviously decided that what they had wasn't good enough to warrant the development time Chris

I'll put my new time here then lol Hardcore Chris n nic : 59.403 Alex : 59.962 H.Maxim: 1:00.037 No aids, manual Ado : 1.00.224 Jo3y (Charlie) 1.01.145 No Aids, Manual without clutch iainm187: 1.01.274 Soph's Gaz: 1:01.346 all aids off, manual without clutch (for some reason it says...

Ahh the old handbrake on for ages mini drift technique ;) Chris

Hey stop quoting my old time :( lol

My m8 just got a 59.557 so I went back on and beat him...best is he has looked back and he has a ! against his time so it doesn't count lol Hardcore Chris n nic : 59.403 Alex : 59.962 Jo3y (Charlie) 1.01.145 No Aids, Manual without clutch Ado : 1.01.616 H.Maxim: 1:01.422 No aids, manual...

It means you can download their ghost for comparisons Chris

I think my time is a 1:00.017 but I will check later

I think that needs changing Mr Hall ;) Chris

I can't understand how people are struggling to break traction tbh...I read on neogaf someone saying how bad it was where the porka (on slicks) had pretty much limitless grip....3rd gear will slide the back end out quicker than a V6 on remoulds..even the mini needs feathering of the throttle to...

Have I been playing a different game? I tried going back to Forza 2 and it like playing an old ps1 game imo. I can obviously see the difference between the photomode pics and the game pics but we all knew that was going to be the case but there is a defo improvment especially in the background...

One thing I noticed on the vids that I had missed before was that the cars are reflected on the bonnet...thats pretty impressive...next gen will probably have proper reflections in the bodywork so when you are next to a car and look towards it you can see your cars reflection...fm3 is s**t...

Just noticed this on Neogaf...Scutch has a twin ;P

Looks good on that crash vid...especially where they all get some air...the compression looks brilliant imo Chris

just had a look on forzacentral and one guy basically slated the handling then the next poster said how good it was lol. I'll wait and see...although someone mentioned brake squeal which would be cool...any confirmation of this? Chris

The thing is some of the race cars have daft grip especially some of the porkas...slicks ftw lol Chris

You are at home tho aren't you? I mean set off the download from work using the Xbox website.... Chris

Anyone else downloading now from xbox.com? Mine says pending but I know I switched my xbox on this morning....I guess it is going to be busy today lol Chris