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more refined?? in what way? the seats arent as comfy, the driving position isnt as good, slower, both have no air con no abs etc, the cup is very basic really, probably the best 172 version, but by no means more refined than a williams. tbh mate. id stick with the williams and maybe get...

looks very clean mate. but then it shud do after a respray ;)

lookin good fella. will be easier to see in me rear view now ;)

same kinda figures (bhp) as the willy, torque way down tho. as the 1800s are. 149 for an 1800 on bodies is pretty low tho imho

tbf mate....pgti or woteva its called, and most others arent exactly much diff now. better...but not much diff

unfortunately not mate...its tucked away in the garage for a while now.... but i have a few vids of it in action lol http://youtube.com/watch?v=_TtEOb4fY2k spa and oulton http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWiV5zFTbys&feature=user

hm... i spose i could raid my sons toybox and glue all the plastic bits to the car, pull the engine out, fit a hamster wheel, get some 20s and i reckon 4x 8 inch zorsts shud do it. might be max shower ready then

as above really. would depend on the mag. if you ever want a williams 1, either mint std or stripped/tuned...let me know ;)

i find them not very nice to drive at all tbh. a step backwards from reno ;)

i can only dream of being that young lol

it has taken reno almost 14 years to try to replicate the power and poise of their best hot hatch to date.......the williams ;)

cars arent in my name, i have no license, tax or mot. all have bald tyres, dodgy brakes, knackered susp, etc etc.

gotta see what the score is with em havent you lol.

aye , can see what your saying. i spose id fall under that category, a bit longer than 10 mins, but not quite a full day. lol. still wasnt as impressed by it as the r26 tho.

same can be said for pretty much any car tho tbh fred. altho having said that...was a whole 10 mins after purchase of the williams that i 1st hit the limiter............in 5th ;)

yes......and im not overly impressed with them.

personally, id get a box from reno. the willy box is only £600, iv had recon boxes before, £400s worth...lasted about 9 months, whereas the 2nd hand boxes iv had for a fraction of the cost have usually lasted slightly longer. cambelt can be done in situ in a couple of hours, no real biggy...

my worst so far is mine to northys and back on £30 thats about 70 miles round trip. prob a bit less tbh i dont see much difference in economy whether on track or road lol.

if your into off roading, get rid of the sj, hardly owts a challenge for their light weight, according to my mate whos done a lot in his landys. he also has a jacked sj, but says its no fun cos he never gets stuck in it like he does in his landys, same tracks/trials. lol.

i dont know mate. the seats in the willy are miles better than the 17/82s. driving position is better imo a very nice place to spend a few hours driving.

depends how heavy ur right foot is. iv had 10mpg out of mine, then 350-400 miles per tank.

lol@ as economic as norm .......bollox...even driving mine as i normally do...fairly steady for the 1st 2 mins ...;).......10 mpg.

14.8...........thats BAD . was running quicker without the cams lol. as said earlier tho, wasnt sure on the times for that day. all i really remember from the day is the white un breaking lol. like i said mate,

next year?? should give you enough time to get some practise in ;)

not sure tbh mate. im not even sure if i got the slips. was when craig had it.

lol.you drive a 172......and call a jeep gay??

sleepers is where its at mate. shame u wouldnt be prepared to experience it. but then i have the same view of the 17/82s lol

well a cheap fast car aint going to be had new for sub 7k. i think we all agree on that 1 lol. for the gas guzzlin v8s, nowt wrong with a gas conversion, would still have plenty enough left over from the original 7k to install it. would be a lot cheaper to run then too. and jus knock the...

lol...dont know where you get ur prices from...but these things can be done a hell of a lot cheaper if you dont take it to somewhere thats gunna relieve you of best part of 15k for cuttin a bit of metal and welding a bit more in... jago jeep, pick em up for a couple hundred quid, as u can...

lol the stain was harder to get of tbh....new seat required ;) will hand out sick bags/nappies next time i take u for a spin lol