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What I don't get is why you can't use Dolby 5.1 over the optical port, my surround sound doesn't support and over hdmi, over video so I need to use the optical cable, but in just don't see why it does it over hdmi but not over optical?

The power brick on the xbox is about the size of a small African village.

whats this 720 you refer to? Is it because its twice as good as the 360 was? I can understand that, it is very good, and the games look stunning, lets hope the uk models are japanese for the PS4, or there could be a significant number of disappointed children on here getting duff consoles.

if you get the new one before or at the same time then you can make sure the controller is also day one, or are they even asking you to return the whole unit or is it just the main box they are replacing?

its amazing that the xbox is bigger and has a MASSIVE power transformer when the PS4 is smaller and AFAIK doesn't have a massive external power thing, or maybe it has this time? But then, the xbox seems to run quiet and doesn't get that hot.

been playing with it some more and the update is actually significant, everything works better, i also got a load of disk space back too.

ah ok, that makes sense, the maps i have been playing are all quite small tbh, not like the maps i remember playing in bf2 when i could go minutes without seeing another gamer.

seems you could be right http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/11/22/early-photos-suggest-that-european-playstation-4-consoles-are-made-in-japan-not-china/

I played it 3 hrs straight on both single player campaign and online and it didn't once do this. I do have some questions about online though as I'm not a battlefield man. How come there are two teams, yet i always seem to see green and blue guys on my side, the opposition are orange, i get...

That is a shame, you're not alone though, and this time next week there'll be a load of ps4 owners with the same letdown I think.

Wtf were they adding to forza then for it to be 6gb!

Maybe by upping your settings is what's causing BF to crash out scutch? Going to be playing mine in a bit so I'll let you know if I get the same. Im im a little confused by the game installs at the moment. So forza said it needed a 6gb download, but was this all a download from the internet...

Try setting it up again, maybe it didn't work right the first time, mine seems to work every time, and that's without muting anything too

Surely the FIFA is just a code, so it's tied to your gamer tag, so you can just download it again! oh and this day one rubbish, load of b****cks, it's just a tiny logo on the controller, pretty disappointed, I don't know what else I was expecting as I knew what day one meant, but come on, it's...

Well it took most of the night to update, stupidly long. I seem to be able to do a carriage return now in posts and can do a double tap on spacebar to get a full stop. The autocorrect still isn't Up to apple on first impressions but it certainly seems better than my experience before.

it does stay there for a while, it will move on though, although quite slowly, then builds up speed.

No issues here

Yeah, doesn't even ask for your gamer tag, just email associated with it (it my case it's just my hotmail), I'm now going to be signed in bet kinect facial rec anyway

so supposedly my drivatar is now going to be going off and racing races with other people for me to earn me xp, interesting. done the first group of races, time for bed, liking the voice commands. and as for graphics, its good but not the difference we saw the last gen of consoles came out...

I hate football games, but I can't decide whether to just try it to see how good it is. Now on my 4th race, knew this would happen....

Got myself a medium wood coloured BMW 1M, loving the colour options, the livery option it tried to download from the cloud seemed to now work, so went with wood. First race ace was ace, not played forza for years so can't say how it compares, but it's very nice so far. Actually loving the...

Just went back to it and it said 32% ready to start so I guess this is part of the play before it's finished thing! not sure what % it got to before saying that though. Intro video is immense

yeah mine was about that, i wouldn't get excited though, just put forza in and it said it needed a 6GB update!!!!! Now i don't know whether its actually downloading that or loading 6GB from the disc as the disc seems to be spinning but the percentage is rising VERY slowly, like 2% in 5...

Wow, that's going to be a long night!!! infrared lights seem to be off when it's rebooting so hopefully they stay off. at least I can see when it's spying on me ;)

Mine took about 7 1/2 mins, just rebooting now

Update is 500mb btw, well the first one I am doing is, I'll let you know if there's another one!

Bloody box was heavy carrying home though, got mine connected up now, doing the update, it's downloading very rapidly, already done 30% since I started typing this. first impression is the kinect has 3 infrared lights in it pointing at me, already annoyed with them, I'm hoping they go off when...

Well you get £10 off a game bought with the console so I ended up buying forza extra and getting £10 off it. Not unboxed it yet. They have hundreds of copies of FIFA for £55 too, not sure who they're going to sell those to until the next batch come out I guess without the free FIFA. Might...

Well after game promising me a forza pack, they couldn't deliver, I have shitty FIFA, never mind. Not it sure I can be arsed to wait for it to update.

I'll fire up the beast tomorrow, forgot about putting 8.1 on it.