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like you wouldnt believe mate its like driving with a square wheel

1st port of call,crank/tdc sensor it may not know the engines turning so not signalling to spark(very common on these) give it a clean and retry before attemtping a compression test check you have a spark consistantly 1st

might sound stupid but have hou checked tyre pressure since it got colder outside?

if ot just turns for fun clean your tdc and retry

you cant just swap a uch from another vehicle they are coded to the ecu and key so the lot needs changing unless you go new or repair yours

is it just turning and turni g but making NO effort to fire ?

it shouldnt be but it looking it is

Re: ph1 turbo project 20mm is going to be a noticable difference,but alot more work involved for the short term il hang onto the subframe transplant the arms and shocks and possinky turinis then take it from there

i have all 3 172 subframes if anyone can tell me where to measure i could post results of the 3 varients sounds like it could well be worth it

can anyone confirm is thats a ph1 or ph2 exhaust

thats solved why my phase 1 i just bought exhaust practically touches the bottom of the car-previous owner put the wrong exhaust on by the looks of it

how.much are we talking

im not saying it is

i understamd the differemces on the cup non cup arms but the subframes are baffling me are you saying the ph1 and ph2 are the same but the cup is different or that the ph1 is different to ph2 but mounts the bulkhead the same really cant see why renault would use a different subframe in the...

pretty sure the non cup is supposed to have it in either way as it stands my non cup has the same crap non adjustable lights as my cup so its not really a issue

Re: ph1 turbo project hopefuly thats a decent match for the lil marks on both them 172s and turinis im debating changing front arms front n rear spring/dampers and turinis but not subframe realistically what am i going to achieve by swapping frames? i believe the arms sit slightly...

to me if you open the tb out further and dont alter anything else its going to create a bottle neck effect and unless other in/outlet mods have already been done it will be counterproductive

main reason is its already had a new one and by the time its coded its more like 400 plus trying to convince the wife to spend 400 on a box for one of my 3 practically identical cars will be alot harder than swapping the uch

Re: ph1 turbo project its pretty decent condition tbh i was planning on donating it to my ph2 but when the idea of a one off ph1 cup came to mind it certainly tickled my pickle i have a set of turinis i could swap over aswell im just missing the cup spoiler but thats not a huge issue

washers are blanked off and u dont have the switxh for the headlamp adjuster on my non cup but weirdly i do on the cup-il go have a look see if the wirings there on either

my ph2 did it last winter and its now doing it again but shes also due a service-thick gunky oil ?

id warm it up drain the lot change filter and start again if theres too much oil in and your level sensors saying otherwise (its new so not faulty) id be pointing towards a bit gunk floating about giving you a daft reading

what do know is my cup has ac and its rhestat (heater resistor) was different to both the 172 non cup with ac and the cup without ac identical all but the last letter of part bumber, iirc ir was ------d/d -------d/f

bottle neck are your inlets matched? whats your outtake like

id of came along but il no doubt be in the labour ward being verbally abused by the wife

am i right in thinking if i swapped the ecu out of my non cup for my spare cups ecu/uch/key would it wotk minus the auto lights/wipers for what they worth im tempted to keep itvas a spare since they so tempramental

Re: ph1 turbo project i am now pondering over the idea of transplanting the entire front end (minus cosmetics) subframe etc from my 172 cup and rear suspension too so essentially a ph1 cup

does the subframe bolt straight on from a 172 cup to a ph1 172? i have everything from a cup if need be

having a serious debate with myself as to which i keep long term phase 1 just bought it my phase 2,we've been through alot yogether other the last 30 months or so given the choice which would you keep

172cup 65k but its now in bits 172ph1 103k 172ph2 86k