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Interesting. Looks like I may have made the right decision after all.

Relatively speaking...it does. Mine pulls cleanly from tickover to limiter as well, but calling it lethargic until it sees >5k would be kind.

Not fussed about out and out pace...will certainly be fast enough to make progress on my commute. May well give a tenth or two away to the 200T but, umm, who cares?! I think a Focus would be as economic as my 200, but a driving factor behind my change is wanting something that'll see nearer...

Too big. Not economical enough.

This is what's really hurting me. Put one alongside an ST with a comparable spec and the price difference is too big to ignore.

If I didn't have to wait 6-7 weeks for the Clio to appear I would. Also, I'm not sure I can bear the pain of trying to get a test drive from my local alleged RS specialist that had absolutely no idea whatsoever that he could start selling them yesterday. Also, the thought of owning a car with a...

I am. Well I might. I'm not sure. Grrr. The Fiesta ST financially makes a very strong argument for itself as an alternative..as in a £4k argument that I can't ignore. Reports seem to say it's a pretty tidy package. Only negatives for me are 3 doors. All else is on a par with or preferred over...

FFS. Spent most of the morning looking at Fiesta STs. I'm almost at the point where I'm convincing myself I could handle 3-doors for my next car, and with them available with discounts (unlike the Clio as far as I can tell so far) there's a lot to be said for them. Argh.

Slippers? No. Would quite like a pair though. The 'launch' itself has been comical, from start to end.

Update on this, Jeremy Townsend called the 'dealer' and pointed him in the right direct (i.e. told him he's a r****d). The dealer now can start discussing prices etc. apparently.

Is the published combined figure of 34mpg on the current 200 overly optimistic? Most would say it is, but that is exactly what I've averaged over my ownership (27k miles so far). So why wouldn't I also hit the combined figure in the new car assuming my commute stays the same?

Is it really radically different though? Compared to the last one; It has 5 doors...perfect with 10 and 5 year old kids in tow. It has a turbo charged engine that can give 45mpg. That'll make me a true man according to Roy and makes the accountant in me very happy. It has an EDC 'box. The...

I can see how many would feel that way, especially as it seems to have lost some of its 'edge'. Me? 5-doors, 45mpg, and an option of an auto box whilst retaining a mobile rear end and being playful enough if required...pretty much perfect. I did the same with my 172 Cup...bought it blind...

Seen one in the flesh? I've seen and climbed all over/inside/outside several mk4s in the flesh...not specifically any with RS200T trim or engines though...does that matter? Not actually driven? Again, does that matter? A recent thread on here would suggest that to many (myself included) it...

You found a dealer that could quote? In response to me asking if they could start talking prices and actually take an order mine came back with... LOL Renault through and through.

LOL at financial suicide. Maybe some are comfortable with the depreciation. Maybe some plan on keeping it for a long time so it all balances out in the end. If you buy one planning to sell it on in 12-18 months you'd obviously be a bit of a tool.

It's started ^^^. Haterz gonna like...eventually.

That long? It'll be excaberated by the paddles, no more gangster lean yo as hands will generally need be at 10 to 2 or thereabouts if gearchanges are to happen. My 172 Cup, my 200, both went at quarter to three. Exactly where and only where I put my hands. The 200T's wheel doesn't have a hope...

Not too much I don't think...the 'box model code is 250 something which I think means 250nm is what it's rated up to...and with 240 standard it won't take much tweaking to be beyond that. A couple of reports so far suggest they're somewhere between 210-225 bhp standard so I'll let others play...

Daniel wins. Snapped the little irritating bar steward off no bother. Just need to attack the bolt now...but at least I can get the tyres changed.