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because the throttle doesn't care what air is passing in as the system is based on MAP rather than MAF?

one thing still do do is the breather gasket as the one in the car was a bit hard, that wont be here till Monday mind thinking through that, could it be leaking air slightly and throwing the fuelling off and it is trying to compensate? eugh, i dont know

Hey @JamesBryan I agree.....it is certainly a longer pause that I recall :/ J

I hear you bud........and Simon has kindly offered but what parts is the question? Map sensor is probably an easy one but what else is playing part here? Throttle body? Accel pedal sensor? I don't want to go brutal on his car as there is always the chance of breaking something and would hate...

Just to confirm, that timing check was after about 5 manual rotations after the crank pulley was replaced and that was a week ago J

sorry @Fleabay thanks for confirming the induction uptake being normal

yes buddy i do this every tim ebut sure....again! https://photos.app.goo.gl/UR8H1QM2nSzrNni86

This is exactly it here......after a quick rev (sometimes worse by a prolonged rev say moving in stop-start traffic).............the idle bumbles down to 760 or so rpm which is obviously worse at times.....and you know how these cars feel at that rpm.............then it slowly wanders back up to...

ok........that's good @bloke thanks for confirming.........but the idle dropping down to say, 700 and then recovering every single time? as mentioned, this gets worse in traffic to the point that when you press the accelerator to move off when it is doing this, it stalls. is there such a thing...

Working on the logs now but here is a quick vid......excuse potato quality This has only been at idle so it isnt as extreme as it can be but it gets worse and worse in traffic.......you can see and hear the gasp when it is revved quickly........you can also see the idle drop down to around 700...

A very wet and miserable Northern Ireland @bloke Will drop them up as soon as possible @JamesBryan

right guys................new injectors................no change :( throttle is responding instantly as you can hear it gasp as it opens which is in line with the pedal press...........only after a hesitation does it rev captured a video of the same and more logs if it would help really hoped...

It is strange isn't it...............although the throttle is reported to respond immediately, I wonder is the actual movement lazy? I might look at that too. I guess if it was sticking as well then it would struggle to modulate the opening to control idle. Basically clutching at straws now...

It sure is buddy............really noticeable when driving

Will do bud...............would be interesting to see how they compare with regards to RSTuner logging. New injector coming tomorrow hopefully so would hope to get those in first. Will drop you my number in a PM and you can text me yours ;) You get your wheel nuts sorted? Happy to give the...

Having a little *nerd* through the logs................I have actually spotted the other behaviour of the car in it's current state That being where I push the accelerator and rather than rev, the car dies a little first. You can see where I have the marker (white) is where I push the...

My conscience is clean @bloke Literally today sent a bin liner of brand new toys just today to go to a charity sale for UNICEF, specifically to bring aid to children in Yemen in the new year. And might I say.......i am so happy to have done that. So today.....maybe just today only....I am...

Spoke to Renparts earlier and they cannot understand but are arranging to send a replacement. But. I have just replied (in a nice way as they have been lovely tbh) to advise that I am actually not happy abut having ECP stuff near me at all...................I mean, I have a code for ECP that...

Seriously Steve......don't.....I am close enough to the edge here Well.....they were all sealed with the magneti marelli stickers.....No tears. The odd one was sealed too but looking at the info on it.....while yes it is an IWP042.....it does also say PSA on it.....to me that is Peugeot.

Lol.....I'm losing the plot, sorry Louis. It was @Mbeau This car is getting to me :|

ACH WTF Bought 4 injectors from Renparts.................one of them is COMPLETELY WRONG yet labelled the same. Correct on left. Wrong on right. :(

I did not.................despite being told a few times to do so I am a bit of a tit like that :) Injectors tonight and then I will see what is what. @Louis offered a second hand one so might take him up on that as they are injector money for genuine. I am also now considering a new knock...

lol.....me neither.........it's all witchcraft :) no idea with regards to the ign. advance..................does remind me that this car has a EuroCarParts knock sensor on it. I remember one very special night............i managed to completely snap the original one off and had to replace it...

So..............of course it is hard to replicate the issue WHEN YOU WANT.....lol But, it did most certainly do it when I pulled up at the house at the end. Not as severe as say sitting in stop start traffic for a while but exactly the same behaviour only less pronounced. Drove in, all seems...

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Thanks @JamesBryan Ok, have to do a quick run out now to collect the injectors (yay) so will have a punt at logging what I can. J

Air leak is a fair point as I decided that the breather gasket was a wee bit hardened when I was doing the other work so have ordered a replacement one of those, not sure how relevant that may be. All I have is RSTuner fella. Not ideal I know but it looks to be able to spit out quite a bit of...

Well, injectors should be here today and I will throw them in tonight. I really hope it helps the bumbling idle as the stalling is real. Still idling at around 900 rpm. Can anyone remember what the Fastchip map idle should be? I was sure it was more than that. Even after replacing what I have...

Any way to do that without clip @Brigsy ?