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But anyone that takes driving games seriously should already have one. ;). You have to buy an xbox to play forza, that's even pricier!;);););)

Depends what you're after. Nfs is a solid arcade racer, good fun, not masses of longevity. Gt5's not as instantly accessible, but once you get into it, it's great. Best driving game I've played, but does need a wheel.

I'm using bumpercam all the time. In cars just a bit of eye pleasing novelty for me.

I agree! It's a 2nd hand car after all.

Someone drew a knob on my 306. Faint scratching meant it was visible forever. Cnuts.

The 197 is undoubtedly the prettier looking car. But the 200 does make them look old. Similar to ph1 172 to ph2. The ph2 has some very awkward details, but looks more modern/up to date.

Ditto. As it stands, it's a mess. I've driven it too.

It doesn't stretch the belt? Listen to ali. He knows.

If you're in the north, I'd go to rs tuning in leeds.

I've driven a sc cup.

The Mazda/minolta race car, won in like the wind (extreme). You need to fiddle with the setup though.

I've used both options, a lot. RS2 are awesome, the only time they struggle is with standing water.

Tricky!

Steve, and Waitey I've driven a couple, all mk1's. Brilliant.

If track work is a factor, keep the cup as is for everyday. 6K should get you into a very nice charged MX5.

Clearly power and torque has mass.

Anorexic? Ali's in!

Fingers crossed it's right soon.

I just kept repeating races to get level 21 for the extreme races.

It's like a club. Anyone that's a member has a bad neck from shaking their head and tutting.

I'll be honest, I hate 197's, I've never clicked with a single one that I've driven. But I'd recommend one over a sc'd 172!

I've called an r26 dull? I think most would agree I rave about the r26 too much. Mk3 clios, and the megs aren't as raw and exciting as the mk2's, but they excel in other areas. But if comparing both, the r26 is quicker, and better to drive in every respect (bar being a turbo;)) than a 197.

I'm doing a lot of b spec purely for the prize cars. F40, and the Toyota race car 700bhp+ in a car under 700kg. Yus please.

All I'll say is that if you want a raw hot hatch, a 197 is not the answer. And size wise, there's bugger all difference between a 197 and a meg!

6k on suspension, tuition and track days would do 2 things. 1) give you a perma smile 2) make you quicker, in every car you own in future.

Neither. It sounds like you want to keep the fun element of an rs Clio, with more power. Megane r26, and a remap. Knocking on the pace of a mk2 frs. Cheap, as well. Whatever anyone says about the merits of sc'ing a 172, even if it is awesome, you're basically setting fire to 6k. For anyone...

Exactly. The hassle/time/legal fee's means that a lot of the time it works out cheaper overall for insurers if it's 50/50. It's basically price fixing "we both end up better off, and mr punter pays us more for the privilege."

Everytime I see one I struggle more. The White detailing, just wrong. The mk1 frs style interior, just wrong. The sorcerer must be turning in his grave.

Or shitting a brick when he saw it, and refusing to work on it.

I saw an Albi blue, with the YELLOW interior pack t'other day. Crazy fucker. Why does every manufacturer that uses the sportster use better fabric than Renault?