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Clamshell iBooks at dawn I'll have you know! ;)

Yeah, but we don't pop up in every thread saying PC's are shite.

What I like about this thread is the lack of mac owners sticking their noses in. :)

How? Have I been suffering with pasting into paint all these years? Tell me more. Doesn't the application have to be open and running on the task bar for this to work? And this is where you'll find that most Mac users differ with Windows users. We couldn't give a f**k about windows, we...

Us mac owners have so much love to give. :) Come on...share the love....

If they're so sh*t now, why do these "historical" users keep buying and using them? If all these applications exist (or equivilents) on Windows, then why aren't they all going out and replacing their macs with with ibm compatible PCs? I don't buy the whole "We've had them for x years...

Are you sure you're a PC owner?! I'm about to feint!

I had the nk502 orange version. Freaking brilliant phone, unfortunately I traded it in for 20 quid off when I changed phones.

You are! :rasp: already told you once to re-install and migrate! I bought a G4 powerbook nearly 2 years ago and it's not missed a beat either. We're both happy then. :)

I owned PC's for years and never upgraded them. Threw them away every couple of years and shelled out again for a replacement one because it could no longer handle the latest version of Windows. What's great about owning a mac is that I don't have a need to upgrade anything, the only thing...

They're just bitter that they have to use Windows or "insert your favourite flavour of posix here".

One of these beauties? http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/5705/conv1.jpg

Yeah, but these people won't be able to update their systems automatically.

Ahh....I understand now. I think that's the first time I've read a sentence on here that I've not been able to decipher! Maybe it's just late! "But if you're short of a lighter, then a Dell laptop is ideal." I get the joke now! :o

I have no idea what the intended meaning of that sentence was!

No. Just looked at it, didn't read much after I looked at the schematic and saw what processors it was running on! Either use my own basic OS, FreeRTOS, uClinux (no mmu) or Linux depending on what the project requires and what resources I've got to play with!

I Didn't say that. I don't have to resort to using a PC because I can do everything I need to on the mac. I've got a PC, but it gathers dust, it's not been turned on for months. Only time I ever used it was for google earth, but theres a mac version now. :)

Says the guy driving a clio ;)

Works fine for me on a mac, can't comment about it on a PC though, thankfully I don't have resort to that. ;)

I use vi when I'm developing stuff on linux, it just works and I know the keys! Stick me infront of emacs and I'll melt! ;) I use visual studio on the PC. I use XCode on the mac. I use crossworks when doing embedded stuff. But, I digress....

Yes. I sometimes do it when php is the easiest way to achieve something simple, i.e a simple script.

Nice one :)

want to start from 128.0.0.0 as that's the first legal subnet address, not 255.0.0.0. Ping sounds like a good idea as long as it's configured to respond the icmp echo packets!

What are you looking at? Is this a packet in ethereal? Destination is the IP where it's trying to connect to. You won't see subnet information because it isn't transported, it's only used for working out if a packet needs to go through a gateway. Should be trivial to work out the subnet as...

How on earth has it allowed somebody to do that? :S Edit: Fricking smiley code on this board!!! grr.

No problem. The ARP requests will have been from your ip scanner program as it tried to resolve an ip to a ethernet address.

Ethereal will set your network card in promiscous mode and will capture all packets on the network. It's possible that it will spew out some packets onto the network, then again it might not. Any traffic it generates you'll be able to see. I use ethereal all the time at the moment because...

use ethereal, it's more than likely it'll spew some packets out onto the network and then you at least have a starting point.

Are you on 8Mbit? If so, check if you're on an interleaved or fast path - if on interleaved it definately won't be helping.

They are. Risc OS Ltd is still doing development. OS X is Risc OS on steriods and in 2006.