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...I own an empeg (which Ive just removed from my car and gone back to the stock unit - cars going soonish) which is still the best mp3 head unit around, and its been out for 4 or so years (3 revisions). Unfortuanately theyre not made any more (They were independant, got bought by rio and...

...do a search on groups.google.com, its pretty much agreed that its a guy called Perry McCarthy.... Adrian

Isnt the "new clio" going to be a nissan micra, I read that in a car magazine this month, renault are going to use the micra as the new platform for the new clio. Adrian

..thanks, I guess thats not too bad then... My renault dealer washes the car too, but I think ill decline the wash when I get the 172 and have it serviced, auto-scratch-omatic washer.... Adrian

My current 1.2 (1999, 16V) is every 12,000 miles, with major services at 36,000 and 72,000. From memory it roughly costs me about £80 for a minor service (At my local renault dealer) but the 32,000 service I think cost a couple of hundred quid. I asked on here before about the service...

..because they use gyroscopes and your speed, they know both your speed and direction, so when you go into the tunnel its able to keep tracking until you come out of the tunnel and reaquire the satellites... Adrian

..sorry, Im guessing its a mess up too, because if you check the cup page it still mentions the alarm and all the other stuff! ..As it stands according to their website, the Cup has more stuff on it that the 172! ..oh dear... ..The wait is killing me though! Middle of october....I wont...

I already own a renault! (1.2 clio grande!) Its not like they added anything (its if you do a version compare thing which gives you the spec)...I was just suprised that the list was about half the size it was the other day! If my car is missing any of that stuff Im going to go ballistic! Adrian

I placed my order for a 172 a couple of weeks ago (got a delivery date in october), Ive just looked at the spec on the renault website and it seems to have quite a lot missing (from when I looked about 3-4 days ago): Exterior Temperature Indicator Drilled Aluminium Pedals Optimum Gear...

..im sure glad I had locks on my car when the sensor on the roof got water in it, twice, first time the dealer said the plippers dead, theres water in the sensor and duly replaced it without fixing the leak around the aerial, 2 weeks later and a rain storm and it died again....they fixed it...

ok, thanks. Its about time that renault actually updated the 172 site so that it actually refers to the cars as you buy them now.... Adrian

has anybody recently bought a 172 and can confirm that these extra options are now actually fitted? If so then renaults 172 site is even more out of date, on the front page for the 172 it says thats its available in 2 special pearlescent colors (green and yellow I think), but when I ordered...

Its all the hassle that goes along with using the rio though, you have to remove it from the car every time you leave it (its not exactly small and light), you then have to make sure that you dont leave it anywhere or drop it.... Plus the area around where the stero fits is quite "scuffed"...

Hi there, Ive just bought a 172 to replace my 1999 Clio 1.2 grande! Currently in my clio I have an empeg/rio car HU (Harddisk mp3 player, cool screen, cool visuals superb audio quality) which doesnt have onboard amp so needs an external one.... Im not entirely sure that I can be arsed to...

wow...Im amazed at how much it costs to get insured for your first car these days, I had no idea it cost so much! (Ill tell you some figures now, but they dont really relate to your predicament) ...Im with norwich union direct and I currently have a 1999, 1.2 clio grande (16V I think)...Im 27...