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Yes, we'll see....

Who mentioned the Cup? I wholly disagree. I would guess that the Abarth will weigh more than the current selection of 500's and will not handle well. There has not been a good Fiat for years and although I think the 500 looks okay - for my girlfriend, I can't see it making any dent in the...

Is this not going in the Punto? I will like to see 5.8 secs.

With a bit of tuning.....enough said.

Ha - fast one! Dream on

Sounds like Alex got shot down! Those Fiat's handle like pig $hit. They are quick in gear but no match for the Clio.

93. Gaz44

Cup - 30. Bike next!

Boring engine. Very boring. Some Celicas look quite nice but that's about it.

It's a no brainer for me. Good luck if you do buy it. I wonder how long it will last?

350Z was very disapointing. They look nice but don't feel especially quick. I prefer the S2000 although I haven't driven one.

Would you not be better stripping the Cup? Doesn't cost much and you won't need to drive a 90's Fine Fare 'Oops' wagon. You don't even know if the AX will be quicker. If it is, it will not be by much. Cup gets my vote.

Exactly what I was thinking. I very much doubt it was the tyres that were to blame. Glad you are okay though, I've read a few reports recently about bad crashes in dodgy weather and the outcome has been worse.

Are you blind?

Re: 70% complete 172RWD! This looks amazing! Much more interesting than a V6!

The truth hurts you grumpy tw@t!

That's the problem with cars these days - they just keep adding more power when the rest of the car isn't able to cope. More power doesn't make the car better, they are still $hit cars.

Not in my experience. My Cup v my mates VTS = No contest, and that was with a bad start from me. I pulled a good few lengths by 100. The Cup is a good 4-5 seconds quicker to 100.

Thoses Japanese are funny!

90% of the Civics are nasty!

Sorry, 400bhp on a front wheel drive Clio is rediculous. No point imo.

Just get a Sport

I like that they called it a "supercar" Dream on guys!

Ha ha, that thing looks pi$h!

400 BHP is a waste on a Clio or any front wheel drive cars. For the cash it would cost you could have a decent car - Evo etc

Both are great cars. You get muchos bang per buck from the Clio but the CTR is better quality. It's all down to preference and price at the end of the day. I much preferred the Clio to drive but I liked the interior of the Civic and the space. Came down to what I paid for my Clio - a lot less...

You will win. GTi's are slower

Prove it! (Just being annoying btw! I don't care it the CTR is faster) I just want to see this evidence so that this weekly thread can be put to bed and we can all sell up and buy a Civic!

CTR's suck! (Only joking) I would go with the Clio if you are looking not to spend a whole lot on insurance and running the car. CTR is better quality but costs more to run (mpg etc). Very little difference in performance - Clio for me is more fun although I have only driven a CTR twice.

Those Rallye's are nasty looking. I know they are fun to drive but woo!