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Doesn't that sort of prove the point? Ie if standard set-up is capable of locking up slicks, more than adequate for track use? After seeing some mentalist outbrake a Gallardo Superleggerra on standard (with uprated pads/discs), think I'd rather spend the money on ho's and liquor.

Driving position is 10mm lower than standard. These are not worth the cash if you buy them just to lower the driving position, as they hardly do. Bought as a high quality seat, they are worth it.

Sure I've seen that car on here

I know the ph1 has different gearing, wasn't sure on the cups. That doesn't make much of a difference (the gearing) it's the weight that makes the biggest difference.

Yep. The Xsara's are pretty uninspiring compared to the 306, the Wiliams should be well ahead. Only thing the Xsara's are good for is donating engine's to snapped rallye's;)

Is there any good free programs anyone could recommend> Cheers.

Control unit problem, pm Riz, he had this exact problem fixed recently

Gollum iirc

I feel an ass kicking coming my way for this

I think this sums up the average attitude a Vee owner has about his car (seemless IMO)

Ph1 is the best (in my biased opinion;)). Hardly any heavier than the cup, but you get to keep the toys (Air con, ABS), throttle cable (lots nicer to use). For the cost of a cup, you could get a ph1 172, decent coilovers, and (bar the looks) you have a better car IMO.

Cup packed 172 Rollo? Really ;) I'd see a 182 as a side step for a fair amount of cash, but you would be getting a newer, better equipped car. The only upgrade driving wise would be a Trophy, but if you don't like the colour, thats a non-starter. Personally, having had a 172 with xenons, then a...

Drive one before you decide. Far better to drive, and great value at the moment/

drive one and see. trophy would be a better buy.

You can get apex springs, but don't. Decent coilovers:H&R, AST, KW. Your gordini stripes are on the wrong side??

Great colour.

Ali loves getting it hard, taker IIRC

There's a tool you can buy at Halfords.

I've been told the CL's are gash, don't fit correctly. Never had a problem with the ds2500's myself.

Given that it's nearly 10s quicker than an exige s over the ring (running the same tyres afaik) I maintain that in the hands of the same driver, it would be considerably quicker. PS Get a dictionary you hun.

Yozzasport, Ktec, GSF etc etc

Um.

It would. Same driver, it would. Higher power to weight, more grip (r888's). It will. Admit it. We're assuming the Vee hasn't spun of and burst into flames.

The ride on H&R's is superb, barely different from standard.

An R26R would blitz a Vee on any track. Wether it's better to drive, we'll have to wait and see, so far AFAIK no-one in this thread has driven both.

Did they do the kit, or just the belt?

Can't think of another CS trader that would give such a small discount given the order size.

Remember seeing this on traffic cops etc, guy was racing a Z4M, got a jail term IIRC.

Let me know fella.

Depends on the area you live in. Putting your folks on will bring it down.