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What about the crap gearing that makes it rev out while still in the power band? You missed the bit about them changing the gear ratios then?

Also the R27 has done an 8:35 btg unofficially, a time which a 1*2 could only dream off in standard spec.

The 197 has big 4 pot Brembos, Its stops very well indeed. Drive one Ian, you'll see how the handling is better.... The only thing that is crap is the steering, which I still can't get used to! :)

Get your head out of the sand mate, its a far superior car to a 172! So what if its no faster? There is more to a car than straight line acceleration (though you wouldn't think so if you read ClioSport!!). It handles better, stops better and is far better built.

You've driven one then? Longer gear ratios will improve the driving experience a great deal for everyday use.

Sadly though its not just one off deals. Renault dealers themselves will sell you an F1/197 for 14.5k all day long! I'd love to find a BMW dealership willing to do you a similar deal on a new Cooper S. Also the 197 is about to get revised gear ratios which will make it a lot better to live with!

Same as the blue ones sadly.

You'd be rather mad to spend anything over 14.5 for an F1 brand new. They are cracking cars as well. Two usernames, tut tut!

98db are track noise limits most of the time, even Goodwood and that's saying something.

Saw the car in the antique auction place carpark this lunchtime. Small world.

They didn't fill me with too much confidence thats for sure. As soon as you get standing water i'd rather be walking.

pmsl. 2 in 1! ;)

Dangerous.

Paradas are road tyres, 888's are track tyres that are road legal. The sidewall on the Paradas is much softer (them being a road tyre) and won't give you anywhere near the grip of the 888's on track! 888's will be fine in damp road conditions if it rains on the way home, but I wouldn't use them...

Shed! ;)

How much did Mike charge to loose the tar sound-deadening? Frankly, life is to short.

Less of the pirated software talk chaps! ;)

Repeat thread.

Not bad for a 1 off purchase! :D

For 888's?! Thats cheap! Where's that from Jon? Group buy on another forum has 4 tyres delivered for £235 which I thought was great value. Edit - everybody knows the 888's are track tyres right, not T1-R's or whatever they are. £29 each? I'd be gobsmacked.

Interesting. My own personal opinion is that its a racing incident BUT one that could've been avoided, though its all very well to sit here now watching it over and over. His car was clearly quicker than the other 3 Evo's, however their greater ability (skill?) in carrying more speed through...

Money can't buy talent.

tis definatly a genuine 172 Cup.

Its not sadly, though I know where my old one is. This one is about 2 miles from where I live though - it sat on a dealers forecourt for about a year when it was new. This guy has had it for sale for a while as well :D Not a proper Cup, lmfao ;)

www.nurburgring.org

Ill get the copyright fee for my one off you later Steve ;)

5 pages of spam! Great.

I'm adding up the beers again.

Unlikely. Get one, they're great.

Seems like ages ago. Was a cracking weekend. I think a few German guy's will vouch for how quickly the car goes Yoz. Magic.