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Modding doesnt have to be chavvy, stripped out track slags are sexy! BUT... If its staying standard, get a 197 imo

You seem to mis-understand what is meant by 'class' when used that context so let me rephrase. Compare the Williams to another hot-hatch/super-mini of the era that is more special/better than average, and people may think that you have a reason to say that the Williams is average

If you do little mileage and want a car to heavily modify, be that stripped out track **** or show car, then I would say the ph1 172. If you want a new(er) car that you dont have to worry about and will leave standard(ish) then the 197

Depends entirely on what you want tbh

I have listened to your reasons, your reasons are flawed. For a car in its class it is far from oridnary/average. Point in the direction of a car of its era and in its class then I will think you have a point. Unfortunately you seem to want to compare it to the M3 and Cossie which never have...

Compare it to cars in its class and people might listen :rolleyes:

There is always going to be a better drivers car than pretty much every car made, so I fail to what point you are trying to make?

The williams succeeded in the competitions it was raced in though.... The vee has never been raced by renault hence its done nothing edit: Oh and I dont own a williams, never have and never will

No they did not, it was due to success in F1. So they took the 1.8 16v and made it something special by uprating engine size, chassis and even widened the track. More reason to it than the Vee

wrong section really. try general media

do you even know why Renault built the Williams?

FWD ftw lol

Fail tbh

cant beat this for free tbh http://www.getpaint.net/

I was looking at this car well over a year a go!

Oh right... Looks like that road trip could still be in order ;)

Fred would know tbh

I thought the plenum was done :S

Right, so all FWD cars are average? Says it all really

I'd be interested in these plain simple facts as to why the Williams is merely average

in a straight line yes, on track not a chance. Oh and your car will be just as unreliable when its the same age!

pick up issue 1 of performance car, or check out the drivers-republic.com, read everything they have to say about the williams in comparison to the 197cup and/or focus rs and learn some respect :rasp:

^^ fair play mate! Cant argue with that

you CAN use the existing wires but the improvement wont be as good as replacing the wires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPCMtlFenvo

^ think he has posted it in every carbon fibre thread going...

Very true, and tbh there is no other tuner I would have employed to do this job!

He smashed the bumper on a curb...

TBH I was always a big fan of Ben, and a big defender of him. Daves experience is seriously tarnishing him though.