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The thing is, needing to go over a ton to have fun (which is certainly the case in many of the new cars I've driven) isnt really a good thing on british roads. The Clio is good fun at almost any speed below a ton. I've driven many cars that are simply no fun at all until you are deep into ban...
Good post.
Hot hatches are indeed getting faster and faster, but I'm finding that they are also getting less and less fun. Safer for sure, but also more sanitised.
The Clio 172/182 is, for me, one of the last "old school" type hot hatches, and it has now demised. The only ones left AFAICT are...
Assuming equal drivers (i.e. good drivers), the V6 IMHO. In the hands of someone less skilled, the cup.
End of the day, the V6 has a big power and torque advantage, and rear wheel drive handling, which when mastered is possibly the way to go.
Along a back road though, TBH there wont be much in it.
:S
Well if you dont like it mate, you know what to do.
Whenever i see one race post after another from someone with that kind of writing style, i realise why some of these cars have the image they do.
:(
Hmm, why is it that straight line speed, and being beaten off some bland, overweight, turbocharged, chipped lardarse "hot hatch" all that seems to matter to some people :S
If you want speed, you would be best off seeking out a Mk1 or Mk2 Golf GTI with an Audi TT conversion and the work already...
Must admit like, i did have a play with an old shape vectra v6 once, and i was always catching up at any speed, but i did have to try, as you would expect.
Standard for standard, the clio IS quicker than the old shape Vectra V6.
Mine is a little raspy after roughly 1000 or maybe more miles on, but only really at about 3500 to 4000 rpm.
Cant say i've noticed any torque loss. If anything, it feels more torquey to me.
Quiet when just going around town, but pretty loud when going for it. Not bad, but i crave some...
Its pretty hard to steer a shuttle through the twisties at 15,000 mph though, but that doesnt matter, because its about 50 miles above land by then anyway, so theres no trees to crash into, only satellites :D
Judged by my drive of the GSI, the driving dynamics would have to be massively improved in the VXR version to stand a chance against focused rally machines like the Scooby and Evo.
Thats what i'm trying to say though, although on the face of it the non cup may be cheaper (although maybe little to seperate them at second hand values?), there seems to be a lot of confusion / doubt as to what can or cannot be fitted to a non cup model whereas there seems to be no real trouble...
A NASA Space shuttle.
I burnt it off from 0-60, but then after that, it left me dead from 60 - 15,000 MPH. I am so ashamed.
Seriously, does anyone else find these threads a little repetitive and boring ? :sleepy:
^ it wouldnt have been a VXR if it was a 2000 shape one. They only came out this year.
Another fact you must remember - the slipstream effect. If a car is behind you, then they have a huge aerodynamic advantage. I managed to stay behind an ST220 in a standard Fabia vRS just by driving up close...
Going back to the original question though.
I've done a bit of reading on this, and perhaps you still are better off going for a cupped car. Why? Because it seems there is a lot of confusion / akwardness about getting after market suspension for non cupped car, something about the mounts being...
Hmm so you lot are saying titanium is more grey where as iceburg has a blue tint.
Seems odd then i have a silver 182 (which i assume therefore, must be titanium) and that definitely has a blue tint to it :S
I wouldnt bother arguing.
Its always gonna be the same on this forum. Williams are faster than everything, including an Enzo. Clio Cups will beat a Porsche 911 Turbo, yet anything without a cup pack will get beaten by a Micra.
Which one was it, the old, crappy "cavalier" vectra or the newer one?
The newer one is a lot quicker. I'd have thought a 182 should keep an older one at bay.
They do feel more effortless than the clio's, but TBH, its still not the kind of car that has the same effortless in-gear acceleration as a modern turbo diesel at real world speeds.
From 50-70 in 5th, I have to say I found it no quicker than the Clio from 50-70 in 5th. The difference was, at 70...
I've driven a 3.2 GSI. As you can see, I own a 182.
In terms of driving fun, no comparison. The 182 is soooo much better. It feels keener around corners, and feels faster up to 100. Its noisier, more raw, and more involving by far.
If you are looking for a grown up cruiser though, the Vectra...