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They're fine for overtaking, 0-60 in 8 and a bit, almost 120bhp/ton. I was able to get past cars in my Ignis on my commute in the exact same places I can in my 200 now, no more, no less.

That's missing the point! The joy of these is that they have just enough power to make progress, but little enough so you can drive it absolutely flat out, everywhere.

Mine must be a freak then judging by the above. Currently 175 miles into a full tank. Trip computer says 38.4 mpg (which I know will be over 40 mpg as the trip is very pessimistic). When trying hard the lowest I see is 29 mpg. The joy of a country road commute with no lights and no...

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who says a 197/200 is not as much fun to drive as a 172/182 simply hasn't had enough seat time to truly discover their 197/200. I bought my 200 expecting that as a driver's car it would be a poor relation to my 172 Cup, the reality is the complete reverse.

Nice. Loved every single one of the 24k miles I put on mine, fantastic cars.

Mine is stripped to the bare metal inside, has standard passenger seat, lightweight bucket seat for driver, removed power steering, carbon canister, foglights, airbags, bonnet/undertray sound-deadening. I weighed everything that came out, and everything that went back in, and saved 117 kgs. So...

This is true of just about any circuit...drive it like you're going for the lap record and almost any brakes will reach a limit. For a first trackday though...driving like that should be the last thing on the mind of a noob driver. Even if you are chasing lap times, there's relatively little...

What's wrong with that? That's a pretty good figure at the wheels.

Whoa! I thought I had a picturesque commute through the rolling Southdowns, but that is something else!

I'll have one of them in the future without a doubt. Hopefully after the 200 expires. Ticks every single box for me.

The 'traditional' line would be to take the geometric apex i.e. the absolute middle of the inner kerb in a constant radius corner, this gives the widest and smoothest turn. This isn't always the fastest though, as by going deeper into the turn and taking a much later apex, although you're...

1,110 kgs standard, Cup weighed in at 1,021 kgs. I took another 117 out (and ruined it LOL). It's the later 'Cups' that haven't lost much weight compared to the executive limo versions.

So airbag removal being an instant failure (as I understand the new regulations mean) is left to the testers discretion?

Sounds to me like your car would have passed 'either' test if there is such a distinction. Does yours have fixed buckets and a replacement wheel/no driver's airbag?

That's be a valid point if it weren't 89 kilos lighter, lacking ABS, and with a far more focussed suspension setup...all IMO. I absolutely had the choice to go for a normal 172 when I bought my Cup, but I didn't, because of all of the above. Since then the Cup ethos has become massively...

Nice, I love Brands...but being used to Goodwood I find Brands far too congested. As Jay says, fewer gearchanges would help with the smoothness in and out, and as with everything you do on track, the less you do, the less chance you have of making a mistake.

LOL at different seat covers making the exact same chair more comfortable. It comes down really, to aircon. If you want it/must absolutely OMG I love it have it, buy a 172, or a Cup with added climate. If you can live without it (I did, 4 years of commuting 24k miles per annum, missed it...

Yup, bendy and useless. Chuck it out, gain wheel-well storage, improve bhp/ton.

Re: Any one want to freeze there a**e off watching some rally cars at Goodwood ? I'll probably stop by this at some point. What time will they be running until?

Listen to this! I regret almost everything I've done to my 172 Cup. Leave it standard and it'll reward you longtime. Fcuk with it, and you'll ruin it.

Ooft, bet the front ends of cars 2-11 didn't like that! GT3 RS for me out of that lot every time.

A moment of stupidity several years ago. Has got few laughs from the Goodwood clientele over the years though.

Well, i've only done the one day in the 200 so far and given the choice I have, i'd take it over the Cup every time. As said above, I might take the Cup out one more time...but it'll be purely for sentimental reasons.

I miss those PF97s, they were epic brakes, you even managed to capture the wheat field remnants following my 'off' LOL. Great pictures, great days. Sigh.

LOL, was worth a try I guess!

Of course not Mr Hunter. I know it's not specced to a high level, I've never gone down the route of expensive upgrades, when I was tracking it regularly all I ever worried about was giving it good brakes and good tyres. The only reason it now sits on Eibach springs is as when MOTd last year a...

Not the primary reason but it's part of the appeal. The main reason was me thinking I'd get fcuk all selling it as a going concern because it is so compromised, therefore I might realise more cash from it if I broke it. Seems no matter how much extra cash I'd see it's not worth the hassle of...

Right, seems like breaking it is not an option. Will wait for the weather to improve before marketing it as a full on track/potential race car. What's up with it? Absolutely fcuk all, the engine's just had belts done and idles smoothly and silently, battery is starting to struggle at start up...

My dilemma...my Cup is not likely to ever pass another MOT as I've taken so much out of it, and it's a high miler, without a speedo that shows the true mileage (fitted a 182 box after the original broke at 107k). It's been maintained regardless of cost all its life from brand spanking new and...

Standard > most things.