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To be honest all 3 are exactly the same cars (i.e a 172) with differnt pwr to weight ratios. Bearing in mind the pwr to weight ratios are so close the main differntiating factor partic between cup/182 is tyre choice - imho!

I think they look great and will be ordering some. Word of advice though, ever cautious brazo made a quick t/c to insurance company (admiral) and they are classed as a modification from std. No extra cost bar a £14 paperwork fee:cry: but better safe than sorry!

On a serious note and this aint a piss take I read in autocar that theay are producing a cup version. Wont be faster in a straight line just more track focused!

stat is from evo mag, just check the back pages, cup is quicker to 60 and ctr is quicker to the ton but doubt you will notice it in real world. Oh and stick to the group N rally car not the 182;)

about a grand less than a similer unmodified one!

Evo consistently trtied but couldnt get it below 7 secs. Perhaps autocars test pilots are lighter than evos? It woul account for their faster times!

It would be equal coz IT IS A 172!

Yes!

My point being that build quality of a 182 will be the same as a 172 coz its exactly the same car with a few bits stuck on!

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the 182 a 172 with a few bits stuck on? In the same sense as the cup is a 172 with a few bits taken off? Come on guys do you really think reno designed/developed and built a brand new car from scratch that will have a lifespan of only a year? Then again I...

As I have said on a previous thread there are so any variables with figuring a car the cup has a better pwr/weight ratio and I assume the same transmission? Unless reno spent money on a better one? With the above in mind it is all down to tyre choice. I understand the 182 had wider tyres...

I am under the impression it is!

If your speedo read 80 chances are you were doing 75. WIth 10% +2 rule you can do 79mph. This effectivly means you can drive in a 70mph zone reading 84 on yer speedo! - Dont quote me on this though;)

Bearing in mind that every mag posts a differnt time depenat on car/driver and every other other variable I think we will just have to rely on the manufactures quoted times!

Agreed! Didnt autocar get a 15.5 or something for the CTR to the ton. This would mean that it would easily see off a cup! LOL!

The 182 is a very nice car but (and correct me if im wrong;)) it aint a ltd edition group N rally car and used prices will reflect this! I am not a jealous cup owner though and can prove this by my weekly attendance at cups anonymous where I have to stand up and say my names brazo, I am a cup...

Treat yerself to a group N rally car straight out of the tin!

Buy the sh*ttest wax from the cheapest market stall and wax your car, then compare it to the £5k wax! There will be very little difference

NOw that would be silly seeing as you can get a brand new 04 ctr for 14.800!

I did it - unsure at first but so far so good!

Nope............its not worth it!

Performance wise the cars are too similer to swap for that alone. Cup has rareity factor, CTRs are ten a penny (almost!)

I know mate just wanted to stir things up;)

What golf was it I have a mk 4 150bhp model which will match a valver to a ton and leave it from then on;). In corners though it is a pile of poo

If that happensd again correct the skid by gradually (not a total lift off) reducing power and steering in to skid

My road angel went mental on M4 around swansea last week with the laser toting tw*ts

lts called going too fast on a bend and your ytres loosing grip!

172 is a truly great car and as an everyday driver makes sense especially with all that ABS/ traction control stuff. Cup version puts a smile on yer face but best suited as a second car! 182 is an amalagamation of both. Lots of good cars without ABS though (ask Peter Wheeler) and it is not the...

^^^^^^^^^^^ thats why the std 172 makes a great everyday car!