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They can't defy the laws of physics but it has infinitely better control of the individual wheels than just using your throttle. I don't believe he could get up that slope without it myself and he did say he tried every way possible.

Isn't it Bosch that do the ESP in the Clio (they did on the megane)? In which case it could well be the same programe or similar to the one used on that Jag in the vid because its about the same age.

f**k me, I wish I could drive as well as you:rolleyes: The video clearly shows that esp/abs/tc isn't the hindrance that some people make it out to be in the snow and ice. In fact far from it.

Lol 4 months out:S. I was going to say how did you tax the car..

It might be exaggerated it a bit but Lol if you think you can handle that left right left right on ice better than with it on.

All those that doubt ESP.... watch it all. j-hHWSQhKuc Mods if it's in the wrong section feel free to move it!

f**king PMSL Some truth in it though...

I wouldn't want to either tbh but if the price is right and all, I'm sure I could come to some kind of agreement with my conscience:o

Depends how much he's willing to pay.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I would take pics and go down in another car and play hell with the manager. I would also be wanting a good bit more than them fixing it. I would also at least threaten if not seek legal action. they could have killed you and others...

Iceberg is the best shade of silver on the roads imo. It looks superb when clean and in the right light.

The problem is to many people think they can drive better without it though!

But it wil make better use of any available grip than peoples right foot by helping to prevent it from loosing the grip.

Anyone that thinks they can out perform esp/traction control in snow/ice is talking crap imo. I remember seeing an episode of 5th gear a few years back when they tested a Jag with and without it on and it was so much better in the twisties and going up an ice hill it was unbelievable tbh.

Because it works better than not having it when going up snow/ice covered hills

Something wrong with yours then. I find it works well when trying to get up slippy hills.

That's crazy, someone got a right bargain even if it does need the belts doing.

You can't go wrong with iceberg silver. Best shade of silver out there;)

I would still run chkdsk if i where you.

It might be only 5 speed but it's actually meant to be a good box though!

125mph in a 1.2, this thread is getting better and better:clap::clap::clap:

Its no wonder some people on CS think that their 1*2's are the quickest things since twisties going by some of the posts in this thread..

Unlucky you must be gutted:dapprove:. I would rather loose one a few weeks old than one I've had a while and spent good money on though.

I didn't want to over complicate things for all these deluded 1.2 owners;)

Well put.

Are you sure about that? Does ABS work on ice? Yes. The system's computer monitors the speed of each of the vehicle's wheels, compares them and adjusts brake pressure to each wheel to ensure the car stops in the shortest distance possible for most road surfaces...

Imo with snow it comes down to common sense and experience more than any driving aids. It's probably why the south ground to more of a halt than the north. Experience that is;)

No flaming, its just fact that 115-120 in a 1.2 is dreaming in a car with 60bhp. And I repeat The car will go as fast as the gearing/limiter will allow and no quicker.

So you tried to create a manual version of ABS on a car with ABS then blame the crash on ABS. PMSL:rolleyes: