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Would you buy a car and say the old one was better? I'm not saying either is better, what I'm saying is make his own mind up. And I'd trust an unbiased engineer over a biased owner;). (Not that cup owners could be accused of rose tinted spex)

Go and drive them both. Be mad to buy a car without driving. The 197 owners will say go for that, the 1*2 owners will say the trophy. When EVO (or Autocar, not sure) interviewed one of the engineers at Renaultsport Dieppe, he said it's an unfair comparison as the Trophy was the zenith of the 1*2...

Gave it a quick wash, interior needs doing!

Pics with custard required. With todays newspaper, and some form of photo id. High proliferation of these body-kitted 318's on CS at the mo.;) Car looks seriously lovely. I think a red CSL with the black detailing would of looked fantastic.

Stoopid. My old mans M5 (5l V8) averaged 22mpg. Normal mixed driving. Why can the 197's only get 26-27? Basically same engine as 172 that gets 35mpg easily, over 40 on a long motorway journey.

Great post, constructive.

10w40 describes the viscosity of oil at certain temps. f4r is the 1*2 engine.

Had this discussion with Riz. I think it's easier to sell with the wheels, but without the exhaust. You might get a hundred quid extra by selling the wheels seperately, but you've gotta pay to get the tyres swapped and you've gotta find standard wheels. The exhaust is fairly loud, bit of an...

Don't get rid of the wheels mate, car looks fantastic as is.

Nope, got Recaros in the 172. I'll PM you leter on the wheel,still deciding wether to sell up or not (cue Recaro's for sale stampede)

But the cup one's smaller and thinner! Fancy selling it to me?

Love Monaco. Mine was parked next to Riz's Vee the other day, just thought "Hmmm, monaco vee"

Let Fred drive, you'll think it's quick then.

1) Normal 2) Idle lumpy for 1st few mins in all of them, related to emmsions testing 3) Yep, takes a bout ten mins in mine

Screw the haters! Had a 182cup, as well as 2 ff 172's. Xenon's are nice, but not essential (and pricey if they break). Climate control is useless, preffered normal AC. Leather? Where? I assure you, no cows died in the making of those seats. When you're sat in the drivers seat, all you'll notice...

Visiting my dad, walked past your car.

At the womens hospital. Not a sex pest I hope;)

Anyone could jump into a 197 and drive quickly, try and drive a vee near its limits and it'll kill you if you don't know what your doing. As for the vee experience, amazing! I can't think of any car sub 30k that has the same.

Woop Woop no ticket!!

Not gone back yet, but imagine so

Just realised I didn't put a ticket on my car when I parked at lunch.

Agree with that. It's just that the points that some people like (grip>grunt, composed, refined) are negatives to me, and vice versa (poor build quality, nervous chassis) on the 172 are what I love (bar the build quality!).

I got a high capacity long life battery for £60, of the web. I'll have a look at the invoice when I get home, give you the details.

Exactly my issue with the car. I loved my 306rallye because it felt edgy and a bit dangerous. And I don't really care if I can 'show up' other drivers, like to think I'm past that.

Each to there own opinion lads! Stop getting sooooo defensive. Most articles I've read come to a similar conclusion (even the original clio fan-mag Evo), and yes I have driven a 197/R27. I love the way they look, great interior, really wanted to like them, was looking to buy one, but was...

Think is the isofix jobbie.

Jamaica?

197 more capable 182 more fun

I've got brembo HC discs, ferodo ds2500's, and it's perfect imo. 2nd car I've had the samew setup on.

Realised mine expired a week ago:quiet: Just got a call that it failed on a licence plate bulb, so all sorted!