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I agree but does that make the car stiffer? cos the springs require more weight to compress......

are you sure about that? I think they ll get stiffer with less weight, which s better. please feel free to correct me If I'm talking s**t.....

I agree on everything you said about Sachs, fantastic damper but you can't really go for 15" wheels unless very keen on a 4x4 ride height. thanks for the feedback Rhys.

yes i know that and when people say they are too soft they re referring to an heavy track use. Spax would be the more track oriented setup for the AD and the the rear coilovers setup. Sachs are a great road/track compromise if unpinned, otherwise they leans quite a lot on speed.

If I wasn't planning to track my choice would definitely go to B14's.

Bilsten are about the same 57Nm 40Nm, the adjustable damping on spax should make the difference.

I will! thanks

btw do you know whats the front/rear spring rate? how long does the warranty last? thanks

I'm not ruling it out mate, at all. I'm split between B14's, RSX and Sachs with konis at the rear

Let me know how it goes mate, are you planning to track your car?

tbt nothing get rusted like H&R, but even so, I don't care, anything will eventually rust just wanna get the best handling product..... took a look at KW's but there nothing around 1 grand (could stretch to 1200) with cup fitment.

I have camber bolts and I'll be getting an ARB later on, I just want to make I have a good base to start with. what if it'd be something in the middle, not a daily motor and quite a few track days? joking mate, point taken.

thanks for the feedback mate

Also true, its standard atm but the strip-out its very tempting and likely to happen sooner or later. Definitely Spax AST with the future in mind. OMG thats a mine field!

how much for the AST with cup fitment?

the car's standard at the moment so I could consider the Bilstein, especially because its a mono-tube shock, I guess the Spax is a twin-tube? I'd buy Sachs again but the rear dampers are quite pants unless replaced with konis, and it'd easily go over 1k. I guess it narrows down to bilstein or...

I'll be definitely looking into it, that's the only option I haven't explored yet. thanks!

thanks mate I like Bilstein very much but I can't help thinking that I might want the adjustability at some point..........maybe I'm wrong and they are already good as they are.

450ish each as I'd use my sportlines springs, definitely over 1k if I go for rear konis which seems sensible to me.

I didnt do my own research on it, just got loads of people saying, I'd rather go for Bilstein H&R reliability wise. do you know if comes with a warranty?

Yes that's the point, I could buy new Sachs and get em unpinned as it really looks like there's no setup under 1k as good as them. Only option left would be Spax and tbh I didnt hear good things about those....

hi there, following the massive and embarrassing fail of my previous thread..... http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?636925-Sachs-vs-B14 I'll try to put the question in a different way, I have a cool grand to spend an a decent suspension setup. My primary objective is the handling...

165?!? I went to Surrey RR today I got 174 and 144 at the wheels!

yes tomorrow 21st

anyone popping down for a power run? Ill be there at 12pm, got to see how much is putting out now after getting the cams re-timed.

Anyone used both set up and is confident enough to state that the Bilsteins are more suitable for track days? I had Sachs till a week ago and I loved them, so whatever coilover set I'll be going for I want to make sure its an upgrade over the Sachs. I'm not fussed about the ride height and all...

just check the holes spacing, mystery solved! :)

Stiffer dampers (20% front, 10% rear)

please don't throw the dogs, just to see if it worked OK :)

I'd love to see a 172 with this one....