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Thats exactly my point. This car represents engineering excellence. He could have chosen any other system but he chose them. It is a twin engined, twin gearboxed, twin turboed special. You dont just stick anything on it. Oz

sorry, i meant to say the mpg improvements vary from car to car. Oz

Mikey is wrong. EVO magazine, the GOD of automotive publications, did an in depth study on a Civic Type R, a Jag XJ8, and a Z3. In all cases it cleaned the engines whisper clean (except the BMW cause it was brand new), provided more reponse and slighly more power (especially in the mid range)...

Powerflow isnt that bad. Theres a 400 (yes, 400) kw/540bhp VW Chico (renamed Mk 1 golf still produced in South Africa) running a pair of power flows. BTW if u dont believe me about the golf, check it out on http://www.zoopedup.comwww.zoopedup.com under "king of the hill". Oz

I understand that the 172 engine is a modified megane/laguna motor. Truth?

Oh.. you just refer to the weber carbs differently to what we do. Does the conversion mean you dump the injection and get carbs instead or is it a revised injection kit or what? Is the 20-30 extra bhp without exhaust and induction kits? thanx for the help, o knowledgable one Oz

HEY GUYS. Why dont you just get a perfectly engineered 172.

I know for a fact that the brakes on the cup arent the same as the 172s. The 172s come with ABS. ;)

BenR What is in the weber gold kit? Does fuel consumption go south? Can you order the kit on the net and have it fitted in your region? Do you need speciallists to fit it? What are "twin 40s"? Do you perhaps know of a place where to buy a decent (smooth) wide arch kit for a clio2 ph1? Thanx

sorry, forgot. no nos either

What is the best way to get 40 more bhp out of a clio 172 without forced induction?