05 1.2 16v cams exhaust and remap?

[munk]

Hi guys, I'm dave, I'm new here- been elbow deep in Smart car tunning for the last 4 years- moved over to a clio after a terminal engine failure.

Over the last two ish years i've enjoyed the standard ahem charms of the 1.2 16v, like its ability to cruise happily at 80- (on my own private stretch of motorway lol), its love of IKEA flatpacks, and the loving way that it eats clutches.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love a 400bhp monster as much as the next man, but i'm under no miscomprehension that my clio will ever produce even close to a quater of that- but even so i'd love to pep it up a little- nothing to over the top as I tend to do 300 mile trips from leeds to exeter on a frighteningly regular basis - 35k in 18 months roughly.

I'm looking for a remap, possibly a set of cams, a replacement filter- element only- not an open licky stick max power piece of poo, and a quiet stealthy exhaust, and possibly a sport cat. Can anyone tell me where i can get any of these.

I have dealt in the past with a company called tuning concept- who say that they can map and extra 10 bhp out of the standard car, but due to having a bad experience of maps not taking from them in particular i'm not sure about going with them- any ideas?

I would like mild cams- not lairy high rev range ones that make the car drive like a tractor at low rpms - i drive in leeds city center a lot so i need the low range.

The filter has to be replacement element only- as i hate cone filters, I can't stand the way that they look, and they generaly end up sucking warm air rather than nice cold air.

The exhaust and cat would have to be made of a decent grade of stainless steel or mild steel- not the crappy alu ones that you can pick up from ebay - BESTNIKESINTOWN is doing some hideous galvanised piles that just make me laugh- a sport cat 200 would be my choice- but can anyoe advise me? Also i'd like the exhaust to be fairly free flowing but quiet and out of sight- ideas?

Many thanks Guys and girls.

Dave

 

[edde]

10hp form stock engine won't happen.

Forget the whole idea you can do it prices for good stuff ie cams won't be cheap and at the end 100hp would be a good target even cheap cams though with all the bits and you can spend £1.2k easy.
Matt Black on here sells all the bits to convert your car toa 172 engine box brakes suspension wiring for £1.5k+vat which is much better value.

 

[munk]

Thanks Edde - Don't get me wrong but converting my car to a 172 isn't really what i'm after- I want to keep the resale value of my car intact- Plus my insurance would have a field day with me on a 172!

 

[Fred@BTM]

i don't think anyone does a camshaft for the D7F, mine was upto an apparent 86bhp, mainly due to high milage

don't know what you mean about them easting clutches??? my original clutch did 92K before dying, and i use the car on track too

 

[munk]

8k on first clutch!

 

[Fred@BTM]

do you drive like a bloody nutter or something! burnouts and all that

 

[-KarL-]

8k on first clutch!

its only a 1.2!!!

 

[munk]

Just had a look at your site- do you do custom manifolds & Sport cats?

I must say that the exhuasts you have on your page look really nice- no nasty welds that i can see- nice and flush- quite like a ragazzon pipe i used to have on my smart.

Would you be able to map a D7F? (I assume thats the engine name)

Is there any chance of a lightened / milled flywheel?

 

[munk]

No- I don't drive like a plank, i think its to do with the heavy clutch- look at my other topic http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=178275 - I'm looking for mods that will increase the torque - rather than BHP. As the old saying goes- BHP wins customers, torque wins races- not that i'll be racing- i just want more midrange punt for the motorway work. failing that a low presure turbo / supercharger would do the trick- but its geting a turbo with a small enough scroll to fit on the manifold and the inherant cost that just makes it not viable at all on a £5,000 car.

 

[Ali]

PMSL!!!! Can you spin the wheels in a 1.2?

 

[bmh.01]

PMSL!!!! Can you spin the wheels in a 1.2?

Have you never had a courtesy car. :evil:

 

[Justin182]

^^ Yep, they def spin more then my 182. Even a 1.5 DCi Modus spins better lol

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

8k on first clutch!

Jeees.

Do you do hill starts in 5th or something ???

 

[R3OBC]

good lad! get that 1.2 working!!

 

[edde]

i don't think anyone does a camshaft for the D7F, mine was upto an apparent 86bhp, mainly due to high milage

don't know what you mean about them easting clutches??? my original clutch did 92K before dying, and i use the car on track too

Piper or kent do a reprofilling cheap but its the same as the 172 type ie its tappety I belive.

8k on first clutch!

Somehting rong there someoen not fitting it right or you have a slipping clutch/riding clutch.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=178275[/url] - I'm looking for mods that will increase the torque - rather than BHP. As the old saying goes- BHP wins customers, torque wins races- not that i'll be racing- i just want more midrange punt for the motorway work. failing that a low presure turbo / supercharger would do the trick- but its geting a turbo with a small enough scroll to fit on the manifold and the inherant cost that just makes it not viable at all on a £5,000 car.[/QUOTE]
Supercharger from a Mini Cooper S is an option just need to get it all to work the cost would be quite a lof for say 130hp and the 1.2 manifold isnonly plastic so how good it could stand up is debatable so you might find stock one cracks hence you'd ned to make one up.

 

[Fred@BTM]

i tell you what would be cool! bike throttle bodies and a decent bottom end

 

[jph172]

This is true- my old 1.2 in the two years i had it i did a clutch,blow up the cat, had a new downpipe and cracked the gearbox casing!
The term "drive it like you stole it" sticks so well

 

[edde]

i tell you what would be cool! bike throttle bodies and a decent bottom end

Yep would be good to see bike stuff would be ideal a 600 or so bike T/B's

Fred you know if your bored I've got an ideal what you can do with your old engine.

 

[Fred@BTM]

its sat in my garage at the moment, hum......

 

[edde]

its sat in my garage at the moment, hum......

I'm free tomorrow.
1.2 with T/b at the front 2.0 T at the rear?

 

[Fred@BTM]

sod the 2.0T, can't be bothered doing that

 

[munk]

i tell you what would be cool! bike throttle bodies and a decent bottom end

Ok fred- how much? When can you do it? I'm being serious now- let me know if you can do it- i'm VERY interested.

I'm supprised there aren't many people doing low presure turbo's / s/c's for the 1.2 16v- surely you could punt them to the boy racer market??!

Had a quick look at a smart turbo- looks like that may be an option.

 

[edde]

I'm supprised there aren't many people doing low presure turbo's / s/c's for the 1.2 16v- surely you could punt them to the boy racer market??!

Had a quick look at a smart turbo- looks like that may be an option.

There a compnay abroad who make turbo kits for the 1.2 16V corsa so the turbos are out ther 130 hp I think or so.

Noone realy bothered doing much as there no point the gearbox and clutch need chnaging anyway ktec amoungst others have looked in the past but they prices they were expecting were £3.5k for the kit alone who would spend that much a 172 could be more powerful and cheaper.

 

[munk]

Still like the Idea of bike throtle bodies though- if the conversion was cost effective enough i'm sure you could hawk it to the younger market with 1.2 16v's. Think about it- there are shed loads more 1.2-1.6's around than there are 172, 182, or 197's. Think about the untapped market! Also if you were to design a kit that could fit the majority of renault engines- allbeit with different stages for each engine you are sitting on a gold mine!

Anyways- someone said about the manifold being made of plastic- is that the inlet manifold or the exhaust manifold? Also tell me more about the Mini Cooper SC idea- sounds interesting!

 

[munk]

sorry being a silly sod- of course its the intake manifold!

Found a Eaton M45 blower for £99 - so guys tell me is it doable or is fred's idea of bike t-b's a better idea?

 

[edde]

Still like the Idea of bike throtle bodies though- if the conversion was cost effective enough i'm sure you could hawk it to the younger market with 1.2 16v's. Think about it- there are shed loads more 1.2-1.6's around than there are 172, 182, or 197's. Think about the untapped market! Also if you were to design a kit that could fit the majority of renault engines- allbeit with different stages for each engine you are sitting on a gold mine!

The 1.4 and 1.6 ar the same heads the 1.2 16V and 8V are different.
Kits would be difficult as he parts come from crashed bikes and there no garagentee of the exact same bike you've got a kit tested for turning up when you need it. Theyre cheap though throttle bodies froma bike.

Found a Eaton M45 blower for £99 - so guys tell me is it doable or is fred's idea of bike t-b's a better idea?

Both are doable bike T/Bs would be more fun but neither options good value.

 

[Martin_172]

ive got access to a set of bike carbs for mine just not up for spending the money required on the bottom end, keeping in mind mate the plastic manifold doesnt matter when your running carbs. as they replace this

 

[munk]

any ideas how much would be required on the bottom end then?

We talking over 2 grand or under?

 

[John2Modified]

The most cost effective start would be something like an ITG Panel Filter

Available on www.2modified.com if you decide to go for one...

 

[munk]

no- no it isn't john - the link doesn't work!

I thought nobody did a replacement filter for a 2005 1.2 16v- you sure its the correct one?

 

[Fred@BTM]

munk if i was going to do anything to the D7F engine it would be DIY in my spare time, i wouldn't sell it as a package or a conversion

 

[munk]

ok- Can't say thats not a massive disapointment. But I suppose thats the way of things. So tell me- where would go to find someone with the experience to be able to do any of the above- or who would be willing to take on a relatively futile (in the sense of VFM vs wanting to do something a little different) project like this?

 

[Martin_172]

best bet is to buy yourself a new engine mate, doesnt need to run as long as its an engine, rebuild it yourself if you have the tools and some basic knowledge theres no point in paying to get anything done to the 1.2 16v engines as labour kills you, but doing it yourself its pretty cheap-ish to do then drop it in when you want

 

[edde]

any ideas how much would be required on the bottom end then?

We talking over 2 grand or under?

Depends what you do with it stock is fine for normalish power you only need to work on it if your going to amke it rev and the more you let it rev the more you need to spend to make it relaible.

ok- Can't say thats not a massive disapointment. But I suppose thats the way of things. So tell me- where would go to find someone with the experience to be able to do any of the above- or who would be willing to take on a relatively futile (in the sense of VFM vs wanting to do something a little different) project like this?

DIY it the cost of getting someone to do it for you would be huge.

 

[tidyclio]

If you want an engine to rebuild i've got one in pieces you can have?
1.2 16v is d4f i'm sure.

 

[edde]

If you want an engine to rebuild i've got one in pieces you can have?
1.2 16v is d4f i'm sure.

Yep.
I take its a Clio code one?

 

[tidyclio]

Clio code??

 

[edde]

Clio code??

Ie d7f 724 or whatever the Clio engines aree numbered.

 

[tidyclio]

Yeah I think their's three different d4f ones unsure which though would have to check.