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1.6 / 1.6 rsi



  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
:)

Would be a bit pointless! Out of interest what was teh rarest clio of teh mk2's then?
 
  ClioIII 138 S
Im near cambridge southeast too still working way round forum cos im still newb :) will look out for some meets in near future
 
  ClioIII 138 S
If any you guys got msn if you could private me with it so i can keep up to date and for some newb help wud be appreciated. Thanks!
 
  Tweaked Leon Cupra R
piss on a paxo vtr but vts' are harder ;)

Ma mate has a cammed, chipped, inducted, de-cat'd and zausted vtr and it's on par wi ma 1.6 16v..

had some good races wi him but mines handles better now on the coilys!

think i might get a zaust for mine at the end of the month as ma std system is probably gonna fall of soon! lol (have a de-cat ready to go on but mot first)
 
  BMW M135i
Yeah standard VTRs aren't took much trouble. Had a go with a 106 GTi which shot up my arse off a roundabout once, pulled about 2 car lengths through 2nd then there was nothing in it till naughty speeds when I eased off and he shot off. The look of disappointment on the bloke driving its face was worth it, had his misses in the car too was priceless. Pretty sure he just couldn't drive though as I was expecting it to fly past me when I pulled over to let him past, wasn't making it easy though but wanted to see how the 1.6 compared.
 
  1.6 16v
my mate has a standard vtr part from coilovers and cosmetics! he pisses all over my 1.6 16v, n its not me driving cos we swapped cars n i pised all over him lol! (something wrong there?)

1.6 16v are sh*t (need a new car)
 
  Tweaked Leon Cupra R
no chance mate, must just be yours thats s**t.. or your mates vtr that is gid!

u sure it's not a vts?
 
Beating a VTR doesn't mean anyhting its down to drivers. I've overtaken modified VTR's ones on track in my car with just 65hp and my cars stock and that was at FCS where there HP gave them a huge advantage.
 
What you guys think to turboing a 1.6 16v? :rolleyes:

Forget it to much wasted money 172 engine it for much less and there more potential power there for less money.

For the money to get a turbo kit with the right bits done you could get close to buy the bits needed to make a 280hp VAG 1.8T engine with 6 speed box which has even more potential again.
 
  V6
Didnt sumone try turbo a 1.6 16v ages ago. Was a foigien chap with gold clio had a m.s designs spiltter kit and mk1 172 wheels. I rember posting the pic of the car ages ago asking about the spiltter kit for my clio. Then sumone said that car was turboed. Trying to find pic of car now on me pc? anyone rember this car?
 
Didnt sumone try turbo a 1.6 16v ages ago. Was a foigien chap with gold clio had a m.s designs spiltter kit and mk1 172 wheels. I rember posting the pic of the car ages ago asking about the spiltter kit for my clio. Then sumone said that car was turboed. Trying to find pic of car now on me pc? anyone rember this car?

It was being worked on.
Tubro 1.6 16V has already been done by an Italian tunning magaine/readers project car but they bodged it a bit IMO using a 5th injectors and the engine never was right the owner sold it and bought a 172 in the end. It was powerful though 160hp on nomal fule 200hp on high boost setting.
 
  ClioI Ph.3 1.6 16V
In my opinion no 1.6 16V Clio of the second generation (1998-2005) hat vvt, equal if the engine had trottle by wire or the mecanical solution....

But the 1.6 16V is a great engine in my opinion.

I know a site from poland where they have put a turbo on a 1.4 16V engine, same like the 1.6 16V only fewer stroke.

http://galerie.tomson.com.pl/album10

But I think it´s no long lastig fun.....
 
  BMW F31
that looks sweet to me. edde i see where your coming from with the 2.0 litre engine but i think doing a 1.6 turbo would be good fun, you dont have anything on the car that makes it look fast, would look like a 1.2, plus you dont see many if any 1.6 turbo clios ;)

even better still it would be good for slaying all those 172/182 owners ;)
 
  Tweaked Leon Cupra R
i thought about it.. ktech said they could do it for around 5k.. but then 4k + 1.5k = 172 turbo block so why bother...
 
  ClioIII 138 S
The main thing i want is a car that looks like the 1.2 obviously a clio... im in love <3 lol. But it running at least 150bhp, first i started at a r5gtt transplant into my 1.4 but was told its a pretty unreliable engine. So now looking into 1.6 maybe turboed anyone got any other ideas / plans? its looking like a 172 conversion... its what everyone has come up with so far on this forum :p
 
  BMW M135i
R5GTT engines aren't unreliable if tuned and treated correctly, still it is an old engine mind. And a 172 conversion would probably be easier in the Mk2.
 
  ClioIII 138 S
Well just seen they changed the detail on k tec (havent been on the site for a while) on the 172/182 conversion after numberous emails sent to them. The conversion includes everything statings "This conversion is priced on a drive-in drive-out basis with all labour and parts included" and for 2,937.50 i thought its a good deal. opinions on a 1.6 - 172 conversion??

* http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2098 *
 
  V6
Well just seen they changed the detail on k tec (havent been on the site for a while) on the 172/182 conversion after numberous emails sent to them. The conversion includes everything statings "This conversion is priced on a drive-in drive-out basis with all labour and parts included" and for 2,937.50 i thought its a good deal. opinions on a 1.6 - 172 conversion??

* http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2098 *


the car that was done by ktec in that pic is jmsclio off here i fink. hes on night-riders.co.uk spoke to him he was pleased with conversion. tbh thou for 3k i wud rather sell my car and buy and mk1 172 with bita money left over. depends wat your after thou
 
  ClioIII 138 S
Well just seen they changed the detail on k tec (havent been on the site for a while) on the 172/182 conversion after numberous emails sent to them. The conversion includes everything statings "This conversion is priced on a drive-in drive-out basis with all labour and parts included" and for 2,937.50 i thought its a good deal. opinions on a 1.6 - 172 conversion??

* http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2098 *


the car that was done by ktec in that pic is jmsclio off here i fink. hes on night-riders.co.uk spoke to him he was pleased with conversion. tbh thou for 3k i wud rather sell my car and buy and mk1 172 with bita money left over. depends wat your after thou

Well tbh i want a 1.2 look-a-like with hell of alot of power to be simple :)
 
  BMW M135i
02 onwards they had VVT.

Please show me a picture of that engine. The first 1.6 16V with vvt was as far as I´m informed the K4M-760 in the MeganeII.

Its still the K4M-744 engine, and it was never specifically sold as the 1.6 VVT. Be believe me it does have it, the haynes manual states it and i've got a phase shifter bolted to my inlet cam sprocket and I doubt its there for show.
I am assuming that in Nov 02 they started fitting the VVT engine as the insurance group, mpg and top end changed. The haynes manual only states later models so nothing specific but i've drawn my conclusion from the above.
 
  ClioI Ph.3 1.6 16V
But why is then the engine number still the same? Renault always changes the numbers even if there ist only a screw different.....

What is the stock power of your engine? The non-vvt has 79kW at 5750 rpm and 148Nm at 3750 rpm, the vvt 83kW at 6000 rpm and 152Nm at 4200 rpm.
 
  BMW M135i
Not sure in kW, i'm aware the 1.6 VVT engine in the megane produces 115bhp whereas the clio is down as 110bhp (which would be the old engine). Also torque is down as 148Nm too, this is all from parkers which i've found to not be 100% gospel.
Although having seen it with my own eyes I am almost 100% sure it has VVT.

Haynes Manual said:
On the K4J and early K4M engines, the camshaft sprockets are both conventional, however, on the later K4M engine the inlet camshaft sprocket incorperates a phase-shifter which provides variable valve timing by advancing the inlet valve timing during certain operating conditions. The phase-shifter is activate by the engine management ECU via an electronically-controller solenoid valve located on the top, right-hand side (from drivers seat) of the cylinder head.
 
  ClioI Ph.3 1.6 16V
Yes I know about how the system works, beside my clio, I own also a MéganeII 1.6 16V, with VVT.
Is there any posibility that some of you guys can give me a photo of the ClioII VVT engine without engine cover? It´s a dream that I equip my clio also with VVT...
What I would be interested in is, uses the Clio VVT engine the cam-phaser like it´s used on the ClioRS engines (F4R-730) with about 20° operating angle, or the cam-phaser like it´s used on the Mégane 1.6 16V (K4M-760) with about 40°?
 

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  ST on the way...
02 onwards they had VVT.

Please show me a picture of that engine. The first 1.6 16V with vvt was as far as I´m informed the K4M-760 in the MeganeII.

Tadaaa!!! :approve:

PICT0014.jpg
 

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  ST on the way...
Yes I know about how the system works, beside my clio, I own also a MéganeII 1.6 16V, with VVT.
Is there any posibility that some of you guys can give me a photo of the ClioII VVT engine without engine cover? It´s a dream that I equip my clio also with VVT...
What I would be interested in is, uses the Clio VVT engine the cam-phaser like it´s used on the ClioRS engines (F4R-730) with about 20° operating angle, or the cam-phaser like it´s used on the Mégane 1.6 16V (K4M-760) with about 40°?

Ignore the circles...

engine1.jpg


engine2.jpg
 
  BMW M135i
Yes I know about how the system works, beside my clio, I own also a MéganeII 1.6 16V, with VVT.
Is there any posibility that some of you guys can give me a photo of the ClioII VVT engine without engine cover? It´s a dream that I equip my clio also with VVT...
What I would be interested in is, uses the Clio VVT engine the cam-phaser like it´s used on the ClioRS engines (F4R-730) with about 20° operating angle, or the cam-phaser like it´s used on the Mégane 1.6 16V (K4M-760) with about 40°?

I'd assume its similar to the megane, wasn't being condesending about how it works was just using the quote as it states its present.
 
  ClioI Ph.3 1.6 16V
O.K. that engine looks similar to mine, O.K. you have E-Gas version.

motor2.jpg


But I can´t see the oil-switching valve (and also no wiring) for the cam phaser that is located behind the oil inlet and left side of the last ignition coil.

No oil-switching valve, no VVT, sorry....

Here some Pics of the F4R-780 engine with inlet VVT and the oil-switching valve:

F4R_780_1.JPG


F4R_780_2.JPG


F4R_780_3.JPG



And here you can see it on my MeganeII 1,6 16V with the K4M-760 engine:

K4M_760.JPG
 
Yes I know about how the system works, beside my clio, I own also a MéganeII 1.6 16V, with VVT.
Is there any posibility that some of you guys can give me a photo of the ClioII VVT engine without engine cover? It´s a dream that I equip my clio also with VVT...
What I would be interested in is, uses the Clio VVT engine the cam-phaser like it´s used on the ClioRS engines (F4R-730) with about 20° operating angle, or the cam-phaser like it´s used on the Mégane 1.6 16V (K4M-760) with about 40°?

172 has 14 degrees advance the 1.6 doesn't run 40 degress that would be mad.
 
  ClioI Ph.3 1.6 16V

172 has 14 degrees advance the 1.6 doesn't run 40 degress that would be mad.

Why would this be mad?!?

Go here and read (offical document from renault):

www.renault.com/renault_com/en/images/3725 3725_DP_MeganeII_GB2_tcm1120-306684.pdf

Out of this:

"The 1.6 16V K4M engine, which appeared in
1998, has been extensively developed for its
application in Mégane II. Apart from a new engine
management computer and a new throttle valve
unit for improved operating stability, the 1.6
16V engine is now equipped with variable inlet
valve timing. Its operation is fully variable
through a range of movement of 45° of crank-
shaft angle
. This continuously variable operation
results in improved performance, fuel consumption and ease of driving for each engine operating
point, from idling to maximum power.
The addition of variable inlet valve timing results in an increase in torque of 3 to 8% at
intermediate engine speeds, while increasing
maximum power by 5bhp. The 1.6 16V K4M
engine in Mégane II thus develops 83kW
(115bhp) at 6,000rpm and provides a maximum torque of 152Nm (15.8m.kg) 4,200rpm. To the benefit of ease of driving, 90% of the maximum torque is available between 2,000 and 5,750rpm. In use,
this 16-valve engine with variable inlet valve
timing is as lively and pleasant, and very uniform in its response with no flat-spots at low or medium speeds. Its increased output has possible the use of higher gearing which limits...."
 


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